I know it isn't a valid argument but the person on anti-shurtugal used it.
I give up with anti-shurtugal. The writer first prasies how star wars and LOR are cleche then insults Eragon because it it cleche.
Since when was letting the reader see the story a bad thing? If you don't stop for descriptions does that mean you have them at the end of the chapter so the reader forgets everything? or not at all?
Attributed totally to Fujiko Kurokawa at the Anti Shurtugal forums:
Isn't this plagiarism ?
- The Ruby Knight (David Eddings - 1991):
Our hero Sparhawk tries to cross the bridge with his traveling companions, the young boy Talen among them.
Beside the ford stood a small hut. The man who owned it was a sharped eyed fellow in a green tunic who demanded a toll to cross. Rather than argue with him, Sparhawk paid what he asked. “Tell me neighbour,” he asked when the transaction was completed “how far is the Pelosian border?”
“About five leagues” the sharp eyed man replied. “If you move along, you should reach it by afternoon.”
They splashed on across the ford. When they reached the other side, Talen rode up to Sparhawk. Here’s your money back,” the young boy said, handing over several coins.
Sparhawk gave him a startled look.
“I don’t object to paying a toll to cross a bridge” Talen sniffed. “After all, someone had to go to the expense of building it. That fellow was just taking advantage of a natural shallow place in the river. It didn’t cost him anything, so why should he make a profit from it?
"You cut his purse, then?"
“And there was more in it than just my coins?”
“A bit. Let’s call it my fee for recovering your money. After all, I deserve a profit too, don’t I?”
“I needed the practice.”
From the other side of the river came a howl of anguish.
“I’d say he just discovered his loss” observed Sparhawk.
“It does sort of sound that way, doesn’t it?
and then we have..
- Eragon (Christopher Paolini - 2003):
The Anora River flowed between them and the town, spanned by a stout bridge. As they approached it, a greasy man stepped (out) from behind a bush and barred their way. His shirt was too short and his dirty stomach spilled over a rope belt. Behind his cracked lips, his teeth looked like crumbling tombstones.
“You c’n stop right there. This’s my bridge. Gotta pay t’ get over.”
“How much?” asked Brom in a resigned voice. He pulled out a pouch and the bridge keeper brightened.
“Five crowns” he said, pulling his lips into a broad smile.
Eragon’s temper flared at the exorbitant price, and he started to complain hotly, but Brom silenced him with a quick look. The coins were wordlessly handed over. The man put them into a sack hanging from his belt.
“Thank’ee much” he said in a mocking tone and stood out of the way.
As Brom stepped forward, he stumbled and caught the bridge keeper’s arm to support himself.
“Watch y’re step” snarled the grimy man sidling away.
“Sorry” apologised Brom, and continued over the bridge with Eragon.
“Why didn’t you haggle? He skinned you alive!” exclaimed Eragon. He probably doesn’t even own the bridge.”
“Probably” agreed Brom.
“Then why pay him?” Because you can’t argue with all the fools in the world. It’s easier to let them have their way, then trick them when they’re not paying attention.” Brom opened his hand, and a pile of coins glinted in the sun.
“You cut his purse!” said Eragon incredulously. Brom pocketed the money with a wink. There was a sudden howl of anguish from the other side of the river. “I’d say our friend has just discovered his loss.”
I would say this looks like plagiarism
"Come on joe try it, all the cool kids are doing it.
"yeah and all the cool kids are dead."
And David Eddings wrote it a lot better...
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You know what's funny? You can tell the worth of a series by it's fans. 90% of these posts have been incoherehent, raving, misspelled crap. Learn to read better books, and maybe you'll be able to think properly.
A large majority of the people in this topic need to calm down and read that article.
Though I kinda feel sad for Paolini. Eventually, all his fans will grow up and become interested in far better books, until the only person left that is convinced that he's a genius/prodigy/the Modern Tolkien is himself.
"Thank you, young crone, here is a purse of gold... which I'm not going to give to you."
i've been to the site and read some part and got one question in mind
are this argument being to subjective????
are this argument being to subjective????
Is that statement supposed to be coherent? You do, however, make a valid point, and since you are so hard-pressed to find an objective standpoint on Eragon and Paolini's writing, I will take it upon myself to use all the knowledge at my disposal to formulate a completely unbiased argument on why the Inheritance trilogy sucks.
First off, I would like to point out that I am in no way affiliated with Anti-Shurtugal or any of its partisans. Furthermore, while I have not read Eragon in its entirety, I have glanced sparsely through its pages for several minutes, which I deem suitable enough to obtain an accurate general idea of the storyline, characters, and writing style. Finally, I would, for a moment, simply like to emphasize my extensive credentials, which include a year of English Literature studies in university as well as a high school diploma, and it is with great reluctance that I impart my boundless wisdom unto you worms, who so desperately seek, as previously stated, a completely impartial analysis of Eragon, Christopher Paolini, and the Inheritance Trilogy as a whole. And so it is without further ado that I begin what will most likely become the greatest argumentative text ever written in the English language.
First and foremost, let me state that I will not, as so many have in the past, point out the blatant impure scent of plagiarism that reeks from every corner of Inheritance. Nor will I purposely misspell "Eragon" as "Aragorn" in order to further emphasize the striking similarity of Paolini's pronouns to another high fantasy trilogy, of which the title momentarily escapes me. I will, however, discuss Christopher Paolini's obvious and unyielding stupidity that stems from every scrap of his abhorrent writing style and ideas.
The greatest flaw I can think of at the moment, is that the storyline is painfully predictable. For example, in Eldest, when three characters (whose names I will not mention for lack of remembering them) mysteriously disappear at the beginning of the book and their bodies are not found, what inevitably happens? They show up later - not dead. Now the narrative gives me the sense that I'm supposed to actually believe said characters are dead, and while I have not read the part of the book in which they are rediscovered, I am positive that they do, and that is so trite it makes me want to vomit.
Another glaring problem with Inheritance is the obvious "Mary-Sueism" of the serie's protagonist, Eragon. Now I'm not one to use such colloquial terms whilst expressing the world's most important opinion, my own, but in this instance, I believe it to be most fitting. Paolini expects me to believe that Eragon can learn advanced swordplay and magic in a matter of months. He expects me to believe that he is smart, noble, witty, and charming enough to gain the trust and admiration of all the mindless drones surrounding him. He expects me to believe that he can best any foe and sustain only minor injuries from which he inevitably recuperates. But why should I believe this? Does he give a valid explination that elucidates Eragon's flawlessness? I couldn't find one. And let me reiterate for those of you particularly slow of mind: I spent literally minutes glancing through these books! Paolini simply shoves this image of Eragon's perfection down my throat, expecting that I will not even dare question its merit. This is not only the mark of ineptitute on the author's part, but, even worse, of pretentiousness, towards which I admittedly have always harbored the most disdainful sentiments.
While I could go on to name a myriad of other failings on the part of the Inheritance Trilogy, I will end my monologue on this note, hoping that I have satiated your thirst for a neutral point of view. I suggest that all of you who have the misfortune of owning a copy of Eragon and Eldest quickly barter them at your local used books store for a superior piece of literature. Might I suggest "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift, for I have always been a great aficionado of satire and irony. But I digress, as that is neither here nor there. Let none of you say that there does not exist an objective viewpoint on Eragon other than your own. And to all you dissenters, such as the Anti-Shurtugal clan, I hope you will follow my example and that of your critics. Cease your palpably biased rantings and start focusing on what truly inspires people's hatred of Inheritance: the fans themselves.
Hey, I really like Eragon and Eldest, but they have lots of good points. But still I will still get the 3rd book and enjoy it since the plot no matter how cliched it i like the story.
Enjoy it all you want. Just recognize its flaws.
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