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User Info: Viper187666

Viper187666
1 month ago#11
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Because Ryzen CPUs have shaky memory compatibility, getting RAM validated for AMD is a good idea for an AMD build.
For Intel, it tends to not matter. Mostly, it's marketing bulls*** to make people buy that RAM over other types of RAM when building for a particular platform. It just means the RAM was tested and validated on that platform, and possibly others.


For f*** sake. Is the ridiculous divide in video cards with Gsync and Freesync and all this bulls*** not bad enough? Now we have to worry about which RAM works with AMD vs Intel. This s*** shouldn't be an issue. RAM should be f***ing RAM. So what about G.Skill Flare X and Fortis?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232653
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232520
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User Info: DarkZV2Beta

DarkZV2Beta
1 month ago#12
Viper187666 posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Because Ryzen CPUs have shaky memory compatibility, getting RAM validated for AMD is a good idea for an AMD build.
For Intel, it tends to not matter. Mostly, it's marketing bulls*** to make people buy that RAM over other types of RAM when building for a particular platform. It just means the RAM was tested and validated on that platform, and possibly others.


For f*** sake. Is the ridiculous divide in video cards with Gsync and Freesync and all this bulls*** not bad enough? Now we have to worry about which RAM works with AMD vs Intel. This s*** shouldn't be an issue. RAM should be f***ing RAM. So what about G.Skill Flare X and Fortis?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232653
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232520

It's not really like that. Ryzen's memory architecture just wasn't really great on launch. It's a lot better now, and the RAM will work fine in whatever system, but Ryzen will have less trouble achieving higher clockspeeds on certain memory modules.
Rumor is that Ryzen refresh should handle memory better, and no doubt Ryzen 2 will improve even more.

This is actually not abnormal. For example, you could probably expect a Haswell CPU to manage better memory speed and timings than a Sandy Bridge or Nehalem. It's just that it's AMD's first DDR4 platform, whereas Intel has been making them since Haswell E, and in general has been finetuning DDR3 performance before that.
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RyanEsau
1 month ago#13
Viper187666 posted...
For f*** sake. Is the ridiculous divide in video cards with Gsync and Freesync and all this bulls*** not bad enough? Now we have to worry about which RAM works with AMD vs Intel. This s*** shouldn't be an issue. RAM should be f***ing RAM. So what about G.Skill Flare X and Fortis?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232653
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232520


http://gskill.com/en/configurator

G Skill has an thing of their own so you can verify. It's more updated than the Memory QVL I believe. I remember seeing a RAM kit I was looking at being on G.Skill's thing but not on the motherboard's QVL I was looking at.

I'm guessing they probably just make/post the QVL at/near launch of the MB and never really go back to update it generally whereas G.Skill probably keeps their end updated.
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User Info: gideond

gideond
1 month ago#14
G.Skill seems to get recommended a lot for Ryzen builds. I know for a fact it's less finicky than Corsair RAM on Ryzen. That said, I'm currently using Vengeance LPX on a B350 Mortar and getting advertised speeds at 3000, well 2933, which Ryzen does not support exact 3000 speeds. The CL rating also does not pull at 15 as rated, but gets set to 16 once in Windows. Ryzen is definitely finicky with RAM. Don't be afraid of OCing your RAM though. It's as simple as picking the correct A-XMP profile on a good board and letting it set everything for you. If there is any major issue it'll just reboot a few times trying to fix it and then default to the normal settings.
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Killah Priest
1 month ago#15
They've been doing this forever, you're just now noticing.
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User Info: HOTHorneHeights

HOTHorneHeights
1 month ago#16
Get the right ram, kid

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thegreatandrewm
1 month ago#17
Because they can charge more for it :)
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User Info: Kokuei05

Kokuei05
1 month ago#18
LazyyAmerican posted...
Thought it was already proven that RAM speeds are mostly irrelevant in terms of performance?


Proven for DDR3. Proven otherwise with DDR4.

Plus, Ryzen's performance is centered around fast DDR4.
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User Info: gideond

gideond
1 month ago#19
Kokuei05 posted...
LazyyAmerican posted...
Thought it was already proven that RAM speeds are mostly irrelevant in terms of performance?


Proven for DDR3. Proven otherwise with DDR4.

Plus, Ryzen's performance is centered around fast DDR4.

Even modern Intel platforms don't benefit a huge deal from faster RAM, but Ryzen definitely does. Their memory controller design is finicky, but it certainly has some advantages as well.
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User Info: Judgmenl

Judgmenl
1 month ago#20
BTW, you can tell which people are talking out their ass in this thread.
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