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User Info: DarthBuzzer

DarthBuzzer
3 months ago#71
Bleu_Skie posted...
DarthBuzzer posted...
Bleu_Skie posted...
I dont recall if the virtual boy was marketed as VR. If it was, then the current stuff isn't 1st gen. I wouldn't compare 80's brick cell phones to smart phones either, but the tech isn't the point. 1st gen is more primitive than later gens.... I honestly don't see the issue. Tho darktheron went a bit overboard to say the least.

Hoverboards. Are they actually hoverboards? No. It's a marketing term.
Mixed Reality. Is it actually mixed reality? Not yet, it's just a marketing term.

You have to fit the definition of VR for it to actually be VR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_reality_headset

Virtual Boy is just a stereoscopic 3D viewer. You can find stuff like it today at a much better quality, and these are products that market themselves as such, not VR.

Definitions change over time, so I'm hesitant to agree based on that alone. Looking at the wiki pages sources, as one should do, I saw this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFX1_Headgear. There seemed to be a few more listed as well.

VR definitions have been defined for some decades now, as there were prototypes with head-tracking long before Virtual Boy.

As for your link, keep in mind that one such product doesn't usher in a whole generation of consumer tech. There needs to be a market for it, there needs to be competition.

User Info: KillerTruffle

KillerTruffle
3 months ago#72
DarthBuzzer posted...
You realize he was referring to me right, the one counteracting your point?

Huh? He quoted tzuyd, and said straight to him "NO ONE is agreeing with you." However, just 5 posts earlier, I literally agreed with tzuyd. How was he referring to you there? Yeah, if he was, I didn't realize it - totally looked from the post and context and the fact he's been arguing with tzuyd that he was, in fact, referring to tzuyd. If I was wrong, my bad.

Although if you're also agreeing with tzuyd, as I did, then wouldn't that by extension mean you and I agree too? >_>

Basically, the gist of my post you quoted was meant to be:

darktheron: "No one agrees with you."

Me: already agreed with him.

Me: blank stare like darktheron is totally clueless.

EDIT: I didn't even see you, or any mention of you, in darktheron's post that I quoted... how was he talking about you?
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User Info: DarthBuzzer

DarthBuzzer
3 months ago#73
KillerTruffle posted...
DarthBuzzer posted...
You realize he was referring to me right, the one counteracting your point?

Huh? He quoted tzuyd, and said straight to him "NO ONE is agreeing with you." However, just 5 posts earlier, I literally agreed with tzuyd. How was he referring to you there? Yeah, if he was, I didn't realize it - totally looked from the post and context and the fact he's been arguing with tzuyd that he was, in fact, referring to tzuyd. If I was wrong, my bad.

Although if you're also agreeing with tzuyd, as I did, then wouldn't that by extension mean you and I agree too? >_>

Basically, the gist of my post you quoted was meant to be:

darktheron: "No one agrees with you."

Me: already agreed with him.

Me: blank stare like darktheron is totally clueless.

EDIT: I didn't even see you, or any mention of you, in darktheron's post that I quoted... how was he talking about you?

Whoops. Yeah, I read your post as if darktheron had posted it and him quoting something that agrees with my view as if it instead agreed with his view. We need better quote blocks.

But yes, we share the same view here, I just misread the poster name.

User Info: Bleu_Skie

Bleu_Skie
3 months ago#74
arleas posted...
Bleu_Skie posted...
I dont recall if the virtual boy was marketed as VR.

It was originally called the VR32 but it wasn't ever marketed as anything more than stereoscopic 3D.

As I said, the first one that was likely to actually be VR was never released. Sega's VR would have truly been the 1st Generation if it made it to market. Nothing else was aimed at the consumer.

As for the VFx1... I don't even remember hearing about that. It sounds pretty primitive (45┬░FOV? 256 colors? $600 in 1995?). So ok, sure, that one is "first gen" but I'd be curious to see how many of them actually sold.

https://youtu.be/J0n5B3fl-bU

but as I said, how much it sold or the tech doesn't really matter. Like most dont know the first console, so they just shove a bunch into 1st gen. I can imagine it is similar with VR. Only point I'm making is it is easy to see if something is first and it doesn't seem like the current stuff was first.
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User Info: arleas

arleas
3 months ago#75
It would be nice if everyone could just ignore Dark since he's only here to derail the thread so every time you respond to it he's winning (in the same way Charlie Sheen and his STD's could be considered winning).

As for whether or not a single product means anything... I think in this case it doesn't because like I said, I had never heard of it, and you'd think actual VR in 1995 would have been super huge news only a couple of years after "The Lawnmower Man" came out.

It kinda reminds me of how there was this HMD technology that actually put a TV screen into a pair of glasses... like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-c9S3cdAe0

"Oddware" because it's old and forgotten...
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Bleu_Skie
3 months ago#76
sigh, you knowing of it or hearing about it is irrelevant man. It is either first or it isn't. There is no middle ground. This was just one a 4 examples I saw with a cursory glance at some sources. edit: and they weren't the first ones either.

EDIT: It is an interesting topic, but I feel like I did enough to prove my point.
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User Info: arleas

arleas
3 months ago#77
Bleu_Skie posted...
Only point I'm making is it is easy to see if something is first and it doesn't seem like the current stuff was first.


I would call anything before the current gen "prototype stage" stuff because it was all expensive, experimental, and not widely supported. It existed, but it's not like people were lining up to buy them.
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User Info: Bleu_Skie

Bleu_Skie
3 months ago#78
arleas posted...
Bleu_Skie posted...
Only point I'm making is it is easy to see if something is first and it doesn't seem like the current stuff was first.


I would call anything before the current gen "prototype stage" stuff because it was all expensive, experimental, and not widely supported. It existed, but it's not like people were lining up to buy them.

It is not an opinion. Stop treating it as such.

EDIT: To clarify, everything I see is pointing to it not being popular and in its infancy at the time. Like everything else that is 1st gen. If you want to argue against other VR headsets existing before the the current stuff, you dont have much of a case.
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User Info: arleas

arleas
3 months ago#79
Bleu_Skie posted...
It is not an opinion. Stop treating it as such.

You wanted to prove that someone made a VR headset before the current generation, and sure, you did that. It doesn't mean much since it was never big enough to get games made for it. It's a curiosity, and not much more.
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Bleu_Skie
3 months ago#80
arleas posted...
Bleu_Skie posted...
It is not an opinion. Stop treating it as such.

You wanted to prove that someone made a VR headset before the current generation, and sure, you did that. It doesn't mean much since it was never big enough to get games made for it. It's a curiosity, and not much more.

You argued the current stuff was first. That is wrong. That is my only point. Look at the history of video game consoles and you could make similar cases. They would also be wrong.

EDIT: to be fair, I didn't know about any of this until a moment ago either. Still, not knowing isn't a debatable point.
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