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optimusmart
2 years ago#1
Done a bit of testing with the negotiation aspect recently and here are my findings for any1 that is interested;

As we all know, there are 4 personalities;
Gloomy
Upbeat
Irritable
Timid

There are 11 different sets of Questions for negotiation.

Each set of questions consists of 24 questions (approx)

These 11 sets of questions will be shared between all the personas and a persona will only use there determined set. Some sets will have 10 personas that use that set, whereas another set may only have 3 personas that use that set (or pool of questions if you like)

For each set, depending on the personas that use it, there may be 4 answer variations due to the personality of the Persona, but all questions/answers will still remain.

Here is a quick list for which personas fall under which set, personas in the same set with the same personality, will ALL have the exact same results from the answers;

SET 1
PIXIE timid
MANDRAKE upbeat
SUCCUBUS irritable
ANGEL irritable
LILIM gloomy

SET 2
JACK O LANTERN gloomy
JACK FROST timid
KING FROST timid

SET 3
AGATHION timid
SUDAMA timid
ONMORAKI gloomy
KODAMA upbeat
OBARIYON irritable

SET 4
BICORN irritable
ELIGOR irritable
BELPHEGOR irritable
KUMBHANDA irritable
MARA irritable
ABADDON irritable
THOR irritable
ONI upbeat
HANUMAN upbeat
IPPON-DATARA upbeat
LEGION upbeat
ANUBIS gloomy
DECARABIA gloomy
MOLOCH gloomy
CHERNOBOG gloomy
BELIAL gloomy
FUI-KI gloomy
BAPHOMET timid
FORNEUS timid
KOROPOKGURU timid

SET 5
OSE upbeat
GANESHA upbeat
KOPPA TENGU upbeat
INCUBUS timid
OROBAS timid
MOT timid
RAKSHASA irritable
SANDMAN irritable
BLACK OOZE irritable
KAIWAN timid
GIRIMEHKALA gloomy
TAKE-MINAKATA gloomy
SUI-KI gloomy
PISACA gloomy

SET 6
APSARAS upbeat
NORN upbeat
SCATHACH upbeat
HIGH PIXIE irritable
LEANAN SIDHE irritable
VALKYRIE irritable
LAMIA gloomy
KIKURI-HIME gloomy
QUEEN MAB gloomy
SILKY gloomy
SARASVATI timid
TITANIA timid
PARVATI timid
ISIS timid

SET 7
KELPIE upbeat
MAKAMI upbeat
ANDRAS timid
INUGAMI timid
SLIME timid
MOTHMAN timid
UNICORN timid
NUE irritable
SHIKI-OUJI irritable
ANZU irritable
ORTHROS irritable
GARUDA irritable
CERBERUS irritable
YAMATA-NO-OROCHI gloomy
KIN-KI gloomy
THOTH gloomy
ARAHABAKI gloomy

SET 8
ARCHANGEL irritable
POWER irritable
MELCHIZEDEK irritable
DOMINION gloomy

SET 9
HUA PO upbeat
NEKOMATA upbeat
YAKSINI upbeat
KUSHINADA upbeat
LILITH timid

SET 10
MOKOI gloomy
NAGA gloomy
MITHRAS gloomy
NARCISSUS timid
BARONG timid
KURAMA TENGU irritable
OBERON irritable
DIONYSUS irritable
NEBIROS upbeat
BAAL upbeat

SET 11
SKADI timid
DAKINI upbeat
KALI irritable

I threw this together quickly from SPWIKI after experimenting with the actual answers and set pool which gave me an idea of how it works. So the list above hasnt exclusively been tested by myself, but should be correct after after what I learned, I also watched a view youtube negotiations and seems to be right.

Now onto the questions;
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optimusmart
2 years ago#2
As mentioned earlier, there is a pool of approx 24 questions and answers in each set. I experiemented with OBERON (irritable) who is in set 10, here is what I found;

A negotiation will always take AT LEAST 2 questions, unless you have some confidant bonus that alters this

When you first begin a negotiation, the game will choose randomly from that set a pool of 8 questions that will only be used for the FIRST initial questions, for OBERON set 10, these are;

…Who the blazes do you think you are?
I feel bad about that. (MEH)
I’m ME! (BAD)
I don’t have to answer you (BAD)

…It’s fine. Do as you please.
Give me everything you got. (GOOD)
Lick my shoes (MEH)
Are you sure it’s fine? (BAD)

But what if I ripped your body apart?...What color blood would come pouring out?
Red (GOOD)
Green (MEH)
I never bleed or cry (BAD)

If I’d known things would end like this, I wish I had found the courage to ask that girl out…
Too late for regrets (GOOD)
You never had a chance (MEH)
I’ll make “that girl” happy (BAD)

I’m not the one you should want to shoot…
You’ve got a point there… (BAD)
That’s absurd (MEH)
Anyone will do (BAD)

What if I was a “human”? Then, what you’re doing… Well, it’d be a criminal act!
That’s true… (GOOD)
That can’t be true (BAD)
That’s unrelated (BAD)

Ah, it’s a shame. If I’d taken this seriously from the start, I wouldn’t be in this sorry state.
Then get serious now (MEH)
Making excuses? (GOOD)
I wasn’t trying either (MEH)

If so, then won’t you overlook this? Let’s make a deal…
All right (MEH)
A deal with the enemy? (BAD)
I can’t trust you (BAD)


These ARE the ONLY questions that may be asked on the 1st step of negotiation. As you can see, some have more GOOD answers than others and some actually have no GOOD answers at all. Whatever you select here determines what pool the next questions are taken from for step 2 of the negotiation

Now onto the next step of questions;
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optimusmart
2 years ago#3
Now, depending on what you chose in the first step, you will now have questions from 1 of 3 pools (each contain 4 questions) appear;

A GOOD answer will use the GOOD pool of questions for the 2nd step
A BAD answer will use the BAD pool of questions for the 2nd step
A MEH answer will use the MEH pool of questions for the 2nd step

Here are the questions for each GOOD/MEH/BAD pool that you your 2nd question will be chosen from depending on your answer from the first step;

MEH
Did I just see your hand shaking? Are you OK?
•I’m a bit chilly, but… (GOOD)
•I’m a little scared… (MEH)
•Shut up! (GOOD)

What did I do to deserve this?
•You’re kind of evil (GOOD)
•Don’t play the tragic hero (MEH)
•You were born (BAD)

Doesn’t what you’re doing bother your conscience?
•Now that you mention it… (MEH)
•…Nope (BAD)
•I’m past such things (MEH)

I don’t hate you. No, I don’t feel that way at all…
•Is that so? (BAD)
•Too late (MEH)
•Well, I hate you (BAD)


BAD
I’m a man with a complicated background. The people I know, well…
•I want to meet them (MEH)
•Complicated…? (MEH)
•Liar (BAD)

You do know that just pointing that at someone doesn’t actually do anything, right? Buffoon.
•I know (GOOD)
•Don’t act so tough (MEH)
•You’re doing nothing, too. (BAD)

If your parents could see you now, I’m sure it would break their hearts…
•You might be right… (GOOD)
•This doesn’t involve them (BAD)
•Actually, they’d rejoice (BAD)

And if that’s the case, why don’t you just stop this futile endeavour? It’s meaningless…
•You have a point there… (BAD)
•I can’t stop (GOOD)
•I’ll find meaning in it (BAD)


GOOD
As far as you’re concerned, what kind of person was I to you?
•My rival (MEH)
•Nobody, really (BAD)
•It doesn’t matter (GOOD)

The truth is… You’re a good person, aren’t you?
•I get that a lot (MEH)
•Actually… I’m bad. (GOOD)
•Are you mocking me? (GOOD)

What was the cause of my defeat…?
•Your lack of resolve. (GOOD)
•My natural talent (GOOD)
•I’m not telling (GOOD)

It’s clichéd, but we could chat about life… Ask each other things like what kind of girls we like…
•I like older women (GOOD)
•I like younger women (BAD)
•I like men (GOOD)


As you will see, the GOOD pool has more GOOD answers, the MEH pool has more MEH answers etc
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optimusmart
2 years ago#4
Now, there is a chance to extend the negotiation if you select a BAD answer on the 2nd step, which has the chance to trigger a CONFIDANT negotiation skill such as KITTY TALK

Each party member has one of these skills that they learn at some stage. And what they do if they randomly proc is they will cause another question to be asked from the GOOD pool, but there will also be an additional 4 questions now in the pool so effectively, now there are 8 questions;

Added to the GOOD pool on a 3rd question
You didn’t stray from the path or get lost?
•I downloaded an app (GOOD)
•I took the train (MEH)
•I’m with my friends! (I gave up getting this answer, apologies)

I mean, how does it feel to wave your gun at somebody who’s completely lost the will to fight?
•It’s not bad (GOOD)
•…I could get used to it (I gave up getting this answer, apologies)
•It pains my heart… (BAD)

I would never have accepted this task if I knew it would involve this sort of suffering
•What a pity… (BAD)
•Uniformed choices are bad (BAD)
•Complaining won’t help (GOOD)

What did you want, coming all the way to a place like this?
•A thrilling adventure (GOOD)
•A treasure hunt (GOOD)
•Slaughter (MEH)


The negotiation can also go on for a 4th question, if a BAD answer is chosen again and a confidant skill procs

The skill SEXY TECHNIQUE, learnt by Ann, randomly procs if you get a MEH or BAD answer on your 1st question, and this activates the GOOD pool for the 2nd question


I think thats it, It's not a lot, but I hope this just gives us a better understanding if anything of the negotiation questions.

Since there is a chance of questions appearing with no GOOD answers right from the start, I'm not sure what to think of negotiation this way now, I will probably just stick to getting them to surrender or one-kills from chariot to obtain them. Negotiating, you could be plain unlucky and just not be given any questions that have GOOD answers

Oh, and for reference, these Q &As I have listed are for;
KURAMA TENGU irritable
OBERON irritable
DIONYSUS irritable
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ZozmaSage
2 years ago#5
It never occurred to me that some sections have no good answers. Ugh. No wonder this system is such a pain in the ass.

Thanks for all your research and writing this up! I'm a little surprised this isn't getting more attention.

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optimusmart
2 years ago#6
ZozmaSage posted...
It never occurred to me that some sections have no good answers. Ugh. No wonder this system is such a pain in the ass.


Me to m8, I had to do this for myself because I had to understand it, just passing the knowledge on

Its a b****, you could be unlucky and be trying to get a certain persona, but by RNG, u keep getting damn questions that have no good answers.

I've used the surrender and instakill methods for most my playthroughs, but was thinking I maybe should start doing it this way as it may be more controllable lolol guess not

ZozmaSage posted...
Thanks for all your research and writing this up! I'm a little surprised this isn't getting more attention



No probs bud, ur welcome ;)

I think at this stage, people aren't really bothered about the finer details, and indepth testing like this is normally found on Reddit.

I did it for myself as I said, but just wanted to get the info out there as well



If you found this thread because u are looking for negotiation info, then I would strongly advise to avoid negotiating for personas, and just use the surrender and instakills to acquire them (or until you get some of the confidant rank bonuses at least)

Getting them to surrender is far easier than u think. And most palace personas can be instakilled later in mementos
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