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Right and Alex Barron is an OT where 10+ Blocks/Sacks is the baseline for being good at the position. Okobi had 10+ at a position where 5-6+ is the baseline for being good. I've had 13 OTs have 10+ ratio seasons in the last 7 seasons. I've had 1 C do it in the same timeframe

Like yeah playstyle may matter but it should be a small portion of it. I'd imagine a lot of dudes could have put up better career numbers in different systems. There's probably been lots of HBs stifled by pass heavy systems or being buried on the depth chart. Same for QBs sat behind run heavy systems and WRs on run heavy teams / with incompetent QBs. Okobi was on an AI led team for most (all? Has anyone had the Raiders?) of his career so I'm assuming he was in a fairly normal system. Are we saying every other teams runs negative systems for C blocks and that's why we don't see other C's averaging 10+ ratios?

I mean it's not like it matters now, vote is in. I just think that's a pretty massive snub. If Okobi doesn't get in, it's unlikely any C's do in the future
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KCF0107
1 month ago#82
MoreDinosaurs was in charge of the Raiders for I want to say the first three seasons. When I took over the Pioneers, that meant all 32 teams were finally under user control for at least one season.
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LiquidOshawott
1 month ago#83
I was considering Okobi but I said no, mainly just went for a top five and went for the ones who got it

Who got all the pro bowl noms without him though?
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KCF0107
1 month ago#84
As I mentioned in my public ballot, the Pro Bowl voting for OL is highly tied with blocking figures. In the AFC this past season, the Cs with the highest block totals were Marshal Yanda of the Pioneers (61) and Max Unger of the Hawks (59). Guess who the AFC Pro Bowl reps at C were?
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KCF0107
1 month ago#85
RFA Phase 1 has ended

RFA Phase 2

The following posts will contain a list of all RFAs, sorted by team, that were offered tenders by their team during the first phase. Each player will have in parenthesis the draft pick compensation required to sign (not simply offer but actually sign) them as well as the default deal that they are looking for to the side.

In order to even submit an offer to a player, you must have the draft picks on hand. Early has the NFL Draft order, which includes any draft pick ownership changes based on previous trades. There have been a few trades since, so keep those in mind for those affected. You should also keep in mind that if you own multiple picks in a round, signing an RFA will have you lose the worst of how ever many picks you have. For example, let's say the Dolphins try to sign Pumpkins WR Brandin Cooks. They own the 7th, 14th, and 32nd picks in the 2nd round. Should Cooks accept their offer and the Pumpkins elect not to match their offer in the third phase, the Dolphins will end up giving the Pumpkins the 32nd pick in the 2nd round (64th overall). Also remember that trades are now fully vetted by me, and all parties must be fully aware of what everyone involved is giving up and what everyone plans to accomplish with the trade.

Going back to the deals in question, these deals are for the other 31 teams in the league. The team who first offered the tender is stuck with the 1 year deal unless a team submits an offer during this phase. You can also offer them a long term deal later on in the offseason as well as any time during the pre, regular, and postseason, but what's important right now is that you understand that you can do nothing about your own RFAs at this moment.

If you do wish to submit an offer to an RFA from another team, the deal mentioned is not the exact deal that you have to offer them. You are free to mess with the years, total money, and/or guaranteed money. As a word of caution though, unless you are trying some bizarre psychological attack to where you offer a deal that would devastate a team financially but would be practically forced to accept, you will want to submit an offer that would ultimately net you the player you seek. Not only that, but you are in essence competing with 30 other teams for the right to simply sign an RFA. If you skimp out on any combination of years, total money, and guaranteed money, you are decreasing, sometimes substantially, the odds that you will get the player.

If you do submit a custom offer, use the base deal as a benchmark. Using Bears HB Latavius Murray, he is asking for a 4 / $13.6 mil/ $2.52 mil contract. Dividing the latter two figures by the years, you find out that he is asking for an average cap hit of $3.4 mil (13.6 / 4) and annual bonus of $630k mil (2.52 / 4).

I hope that everyone understands the slash line that I explained earlier in the topic, but if not, do not hesitate to ask any questions. You can direct them to me via PM or through the topic where most users could help you out.

Do not feel compelled to be active in this phase if you don't want to. While most users do not, several do as well as the AI, so it isn't as if nothing happens.
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KCF0107
1 month ago#86
Bears
MLB Chris Borland (1st + 3rd) - 2 / $15.3 mil / $3.34 mil
HB Latavius Murray (3rd) - 4 / $13.6 mil / $2.52 mil

Bengals
Travis Frederick (1st) - 2 / $7.92 mil / $1.76 mil
WR Chris Hogan (1st) - 3 / $14.7 mil / $2.49 mil
TE Jordan Cameron (4th) - 4 / $8.45 mil / $1.24 mil
CB Dee Milliner (2nd) - 5 / $14.3 mil / $1.60 mil
FS Ricardo Allen (7th) - 4 / $5.28 mil / $760k
SS Maurice Alexander - 3 / $3.76 mil / $510k

Bills
MLB Corey Nelson (2nd) - 3 / $13.6 mil / $1.92 mil

Broncos
LE Adrian Clayborn (2nd) - 5 / $12.7 mil / $1.55 mil
QB Sean Renfree (4th) - 5 / $13.7 mil / $2.25 mil
CB Kevin Hodges (3rd) - 5 / $13.0 mil / $1.50 mil

Browns
C Mike Pouncey (4th) - 3 / $9.57 mil / $1.95 mil
RG Brandon Brooks (1st) - 3 / $11.0 mil / $2.19 mil

Buccaneers
LE Byron Carter (1st) - 5 / $12.1 mil / $1.50 mil

Chiefs
CB David Amerson (3rd) - 5 / $8.14 mil / $1.05 mil

Colts
FS Lamarcus Joyner (1st) - 3 / $10.1 mil / $1.89 mil
DT Dan Williams (3rd) - 4 / $22.7 mil / $4.36 mil
MLB Ray Ballard (1st) - 3 / $10.5 mil / $900k
ROLB Fred Harris (4th) - 4 / $6.95 mil / $1.00 mil

Cowboys
K Graham Gano (1st) - 2 / $4.20 mil / $560k
HB Marcus Lattimore (1st) - 4 / $13.6 mil / $2.52 mil
ROLB Ray Jeffries (4th) - 4 / $8.49 mil /$1.36 mil

Dolphins
C Weston Richburg (1st + 3rd) - 2 / $10.6 mil / $2.76 mil
RT Eric Fisher (1st) - 3 / $17.6 mil / $4.38 mil
LT David Bakhtiari (1st) - 4 / $21.1 mil / $5.08 mil
RE Cassius Marsh (2nd) - 4 / $19.1 mil / $3.68 mil
HB Eddie Lacy (2nd) - 4 / $18.0 mil / $3.44 mil
WR Tavon Austin (3rd) - 3 / $16.2 mil / $2.70 mil
LG Xavier Su'a-Filo (2nd) - 4 / $10.2 mil / $1.92 mil
DT Derek Wolfe (2nd) - 5 / $19.6 mil / $3.90 mil
ROLB Kyle Van Noy (2nd) - 4 / $8.89 mil / $1.44 mil

Falcons
P Johnny Hekker (1st) - 2 / $2.86 mil / $680k
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KCF0107
1 month ago#87
49ers
MLB Zach Orr (1st + 3rd) - 2 / $13.2 mil / $2.66 mil
FS Ha-Ha Clinton Dix (1st + 3rd) - 3 / $9.27 mil / $1.65 mil
C Corey Linsley (4th) - 3 / $7.89 mil / $1.44 mil
QB Bryce Rivers (2nd) - 5 / $18.4 mil / $3.10 mil
LOLB Ryan Shazier (2nd) - 4 / $8.49 mil / $1.36 mil

Giants
RG Clint Boling (1st + 3rd) - 3 / $22.9 mil / $4.65 mil
DT Sione Fua (1st + 3rd) - 4 / $24.6 mil / $4.68 mil
QB Landry Jones (1st) - 4 / $19.8 mil / $3.84 mil
LG Zach Fulton (3rd) - 4 / $7.70 mil / $1.36 mil
LE William Gholston (3rd) - 5 / $11.6 mil / $1.45 mil

Hawks
RG Earl Watford (1st) - 3 / $14.4 mil / $2.88 mil
CB Dre Kirkpatrick (1st) - 4 / $20.1 mil / $2.96 mil
LG John Urschel (4th) - 4 / $8.32 mil / $1.48 mil

Jaguars
SS Kenny Vaccaro (1st) - 3 / $6.73 mil / $960k
DT Billy Wynn (1st + 3rd) - 5 / $14.8 mil / $2.70 mil

Jets
QB Mike Glennon (1st) - 4 / $21.6 mil / $4.40 mil
HB Knile Davis (3rd) - 5 / $13.4 mil / $2.35 mil
LOLB Jeremiah Attachou (4th) - 4 / $8.89 mil / $1.44 mil
FS Jimmie Ward (4th) - 4 / $8.27 mil / $1.32 mil

Lightning
C Matt Paradis (1st) - 2 / $7.55 mil / $1.66 mil
SS Deone Bucannon (1st) - 3 / $9.37 mil / $1.08 mil
CB Terrell Hansen (4th) - 5 / $11.8 mil / $1.40 mil

Lions
CB Dwayne Gratz (2nd) - 5 / $11.8 mil / $1.40 mil
DT Jay Bromley (4th) - 5 / $11.1 mil / $1.75 mil

Packers
LT Alejandro Villanueva (1st) - 4 / $30.6 mil / $8.20 mil
LG David Yankey (4th) - 4 / $7.70 mil / $1.36 mil

Panthers
RG Danny Watkins (1st) - 3 / $9.41 mil / $1.83 mil

Patriots
WR Julian Edelman (1st + 3rd) - 3 / $14.7 mil / $2.49 mil
TE Aaron Hernandez (4th) - 4 / $10.4 mil / $1.60 mil

Pioneers
WR Brian Hartline (3nd) - 3 / $12.4 mil / $2.04 mil
RG Antoine Spoto (4th) - 4 / $9.64 mil / $1.80 mil
RE Cameron Hayward (2nd) - 5 / $11.6 mil / $1.45 mil
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KCF0107
1 month ago#88
Pumpkins
MLB Christian Jones (1st) - 3 / $16.7 mil / $2.94 mil
WR Brandin Cooks (2nd) - 3 / $17.6 mil / $2.97 mil

Raiders
TE Tyler Eifert (1st) - 3 ./ $10.9 mil / $1.95 mil
QB Blake Bortles (2nd) - 4 / $21.6 mil / $4.40 mil
CB Charles Ferris (4th) - 5 / $13.0 mil / $1.50 mil

Rams
ROLB Devon Kennard (2nd) - 4 / $8.10 mil / $1.28 mil
RT David Quessenberry (4th) - 4 / $8.45 mil / $1.20 mil

Ravens
TE Eric Ebron (1st + 3rd) - 3 / $14.3 mil / $2.85 mil
HB Zac Stacy (3rd) - 5 / $13.4 mil / $2.35 mil
WR Josh Gordon (4th) - 3 / $12.4 mil / $2.04 mil

Redskins
TE Tim Wright (1st + 3rd) - 3 / $13.7 mil / $2.64 mil
CB Casey Hayward (2nd) - 5 / $16.7 mil / $1.75 mil

Seahawks
RE Muhammad Wilkerson (1st) - 4 / $15.0 mil / $2.52 mil
WR Alshon Jeffery (3rd) - 3 / $12.4 mil / $2.04 mil

Steelers
RG Glenn Castle (4th) - 4 / $9.64 mil / $1.80 mil

Titans
CB Sam Slater (3rd) - 5 / $11.8 mil / $1.40 mil

Vikings
HB Theo Riddick (2nd) - 5 / $14.2 mil / $2.55 mil
DT Sealver Siliga (4th) - 5 / $17.2 mil / $3.30 mil
CB Otis Tanner (3rd) - 5 / $13.0 mil / $1.50 mil

Wildcats
LOLB Avery Williamson (1st + 3rd) - 3 / $12.9 mil / $2.43 mil
C Bryan Stork (4th) - 3 / $7.43 mil / $1.35 mil
ROLB Isaac Barnes (2nd) - 4 / $8.10 mil / $1.28 mil

The deadline to submit offers for the second phase of RFA will be Noon ET on Thursday, February 13th
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Emeraldegg
1 month ago#89
Okay, I would like to place MLB Jonathan Vilma on the trade block. Looking to get a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick for him. Willing to hear on players as well though, shoot me an offer.
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TheKnightOfNee
1 month ago#90
Up for night before deadline
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