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User Info: ChichiriMuyo

ChichiriMuyo
2 months ago#11
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NBIceman
2 months ago#12
I wish my circle of friends was amenable to Secret Hitler alternatives, but they seem to really love calling people fascists for whatever reason. Oh well.
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User Info: KommunistKoala

KommunistKoala
2 months ago#13
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Anagram
2 months ago#14
Have you played Chameleon? Will it be on a list?
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User Info: banananor

banananor
2 months ago#15
Tagging for later

Our two main game owners moved to another state, so we're trying to figure out what games to replenish our stockpile with

I'll be keeping an eye on this!
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ChaosTonyV4
2 months ago#16
Tag, my board game collection exploded this year even though I have barely anyone to play games with lol
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User Info: Great_Paul

Great_Paul
2 months ago#17
I guess I’ve got the unpopular opinion where I like Secret Hitler better than Resistance.
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User Info: SeabassDebeste

SeabassDebeste
2 months ago#18
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Have you played Chameleon? Will it be on a list?
I haven't. Assuming it's this game (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/227072/chameleon), it sounds a lot like Spyfall, which I have played, but which I omitted on this list because I've played it almost exclusively on an app.

Great_Paul posted...
I guess I’ve got the unpopular opinion where I like Secret Hitler better than Resistance.
Seems like most people ITT disagree, but tend to recognize that it has a lot of appeal in society. See these posts:

Naye745 posted...
also while i prefer resistance/avalon and think it's undoubtedly the superior game, there is something to secret hitler actually giving you actions to do (picking out policies) because it gives new players something to discuss and argue over. the more abstracted missions of resistance/avalon seem to be hard for a big group of new players to get a handle on, in some games i've had

NBIceman posted...
I wish my circle of friends was amenable to Secret Hitler alternatives, but they seem to really love calling people fascists for whatever reason. Oh well.
The fascist theme and the policy deck clearly make the game worse to me; however, they do appear to widen the mass market appeal of SH. I guess in the interest of explaining the game's popularity (and since I'm a bit more awake now), we could do a survey of its design decisions.

  • The components give it a fairly clean aesthetic. (To me, this is WORSE because it costs 2x-3x as much as its predecessor, and the Role/Affiliation cards are a pain to separate. However, the President/Chancellor title plates are nice.)
  • The fascism theme, which I hugely dislike, is really popular. People like calling each other Hitler/a fascist and love flipping the JA/NEIN cards, and sometimes saying it aloud. I find this annoying in general.
  • The occasional win of killing or electing Hitler also provides a lot of high fives, though since HItler's best strategy is to play like a Liberal, I find this arbitrary and annoying too. One of the better SH memories I have is of HItler being President three separate times and mucking a Liberal policy every time.
  • Teams of two are worse for depth of play, but easier to manage for new players.


The Policy Deck affects a whole multitude of how the game plays as well:
  • The Chancellor's decision early on becomes trivial, making each election essentially a one-man team. There's so little benefit to discarding blue when you see both blue and red in an early round because the stakes are so low, and because
  • There's a strong rubber-banding effect if a bunch of Liberal policies get passed a lot at first - it just becomes that much harder to draw Liberal policies afterward. The deck can therefore cause a ton of swinginess.
  • Depth of argument can come down to two things: "I think you're a facist" or "It was the policy deck." This simplifies the decision space, making it less game-y but, again, easier to grasp.


Now I legitimately do think that the player powers granted to the President in case of fascist policies being enacted are pretty cool in theory - but in practice, I haven't seen it play out in particularly interesting ways.

Virtually every one of these decisions widens the game's appeal to those who would otherwise not be as into reading people, analyzing voting patterns, trying to search for social tics when people aren't featured, lobbying hard on who should be on the ticket and who shouldn't be. These are the things I tended to enjoy in social deduction games, so obviously SH feels gross to me.
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User Info: SeabassDebeste

SeabassDebeste
2 months ago#19
131. Survive! Escape from Atlantis

Category: Player vs Player
Genres: Dudes on a map, take-that
Rules complexity (0 to 7):
Game length: 30-45 minutes
Experience: 2 plays with 3-4 players (2016, 2019)
Previous ranks: NR (2016), NR (2018)

Summary - An island of hexes is sinking in a specific order. You want to rescue your survivors, represented by face-down tiles, of varying value. Each turn you can move a survivor toward the safety of the edge of the map through the water away from the island, but people can draw the sea monster cards as well, which may impede your progress or eat your refugees.

Design -.Thing about Survive is, it's just not very good. It's not intuitive for such a lightweight game; I remember forgetting multiple times in a single game the timing of drawing a card and playing the card. It can be kind of mean and random, though that is obviously one of the draws of the game (and it's too long for that).

That said, my main issue with Survive, which crystallized more after playing it a few months ago, is that the drama of the game is frontloaded. Early on in the game, there are the fewest hindrances and sea monsters, and the most boats, and the island's edge is closest to the sea. Therefore, it is easiest at the beginning of the game to send your guys off to safety. Why is this an issue? Because you get to choose which of your refugees to place in advantageous positions to get to the end, and you have full control of which of your refugees to move each turn. And these refugees vary drastically in point value, from 1-pointers to a 6-pointer. That essentially means that within the first ten minutes of the game, you'll have scored (or lost) up to 80% of your final score. The remaining 20-30 minutes might be spent squabbling over a matter of 20% of the score. If you lost your best dudes during that first mad rush, you're just playing out the string with zero chance of comeback.

There are some fun mechanics to Survive, but the dramatic arc of it makes no sense. Adding some additional rubber-band-y stakes at the end might actually increase its drama. There's just a little too long spent on the hidden potential of 1-pointers that are likely to be eaten anyway at the end of the game.

Experience - Nothing remarkable happened with my games of Survive. I lost the first time pretty badly and did decent at the second game, so I think the losing bias isn't massive here. Also played with fairly pleasant company

Future - No real desire to play this again, though with fast players I could seem myself persuaded.
yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

User Info: Paratroopa1

Paratroopa1
2 months ago#20
The one time I played Secret Hitler there was one guy at the table who would NOT stop making jokes about nazis (like, "I did not see that coming"-tier) and it made me want to throw up in my mouth. I find almost everything funny to joke about except this, i'm not f***ing 8chan
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