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User Info: Leonhart4

Leonhart4
3 weeks ago#181
You can go out anytime Dojima isn't home in P4G, or anytime you want to do your part-time job, unless you've been in the TV world that day.
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3 weeks ago#182
Tonight.
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Started: July 6, 2005

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3 weeks ago#183
This topic has gotten me to replay P4G.
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3 weeks ago#184
LeonhartFour posted...
This topic has gotten me to replay P4G.

That implies that you wouldn't replay it on your own.

- Finish a side quest where a little boy needs stickers to impress other kids and make friends. Rarely does a game just admit that you can buy friendship with physical items.
- Do some side quests to trick people into believing a shrine magically grants their wishes so a fox can fleece people out of their money.
- "I see you've already done the reading, smartass." I love this teacher.
- Dojima's wife was killed in a hit-and-run. As is standard with murdered police family members, the police force has given up the case so that only the husband still searches on his free time.
- 7/05 and I only just realized I can fish at night. I still don't do it, though.
- I love these Dutch angles in the hallways at the hospital job.
- 7/09 and Greg checks the Midnight Channel. Unsurprisingly, no one's on it. If I fail to rescue the person by the appropriate day, what happens? I assume a game over, but anything special? I remember in P5 you get weird elaborate nonsense sequences, I watched them on YouTube.
- Meanwhile, in the shopping center covered by fog, an anime cutscene appears. A figure is hung upside-down from a building. The next day, we learn the victim: the mean schoolteacher. Dammit! I loved that guy.
- "You mean THAT King Moron? Senpai's homeroom teacher?" Kanji, he's the homeroom teacher of literally everyone at the table except for you.
- Everyone is confused, since the teacher never appeared on TV. My prediction: it's a false lead meant to throw us off.
- "Maybe the Midnight Channel doesn't have anything to do with this." Yeah, Yukiko, I'm sure the magic TV show connected to the magic TV dimension that you rescued three previous victims in is unrelated to the murders.
- Everyone visits Teddie to see if he has any ideas. But Teddie left the TV world and has been wandering around the store. I like how the staff thinks he's a mascot, but he's clearly too small to be an adult employee.
- Teddie says no one entered the TV world, and the heroes realize the teacher must have been killed outside of it. Teddie, meanwhile, announces that he's joining us in battle. But isn't his job of telling us that we got a critical hit too important to risk on Rise screwing it up?
- An anime cutscene starts, and Teddie takes off his head. Inside there's a very bishie naked human boy. I like how it's Yukiko and Chie who go to help him shop for clothes for him instead of any of the boys.
- Okay game, look. I'm okay with Teddie growing a human body or discovering his inner humanness or whatever, I don't know where this is going, but I'll roll with it. I'm also okay with everyone just accepting it without explanation. What I don't believe is that a teenage boy equal in height to Yosuke could have fit into that Teddie costume.
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3 weeks ago#185
- We go to check on Rise, and Obviously-a-Girl is there. "He" introduces himself as Naoto, the teenage detective. I'm shocked. She implies that she knows we're involved somehow, then bounces.
- Rise tells us that she doesn't know anything useful, then joins the team. I like how the investigative team social link has increased twice in a single really long cutscene and the cutscene's not even close to being over. Based on how she acts, I get the feeling she's gonna be our 'default' love interest like Aigis and Makoto, right? I regret choosing Makoto over Kawakami.
- That night, Igor says "yo dawg you can fuse four personas at once, but don't ask me why I didn't give you this power earlier."
- We get a new teacher the next day, Ms. Cleavage. She dislikes Rise.
- Rise is supposed to be a first-year? So she's supposed to be fourteen? Because she was in all kinds of revealing outfits in those commercials. This reminds me of Martian Successor Nadesico, one of the like six anime I've watched. I've always remembered it because there's a scene where a character's 13 year-old sister shows up and acts like a little kid, prowling the spaceship and just generally having the mentality of a child, and one of the adult-ass middle-aged men is all "ISN'T SHE ATTRACTIVE" and I was like oooooookaaaaaaay japan.
- "I can't forgive the killer, no matter what!"
- Naoto shows up and tells us to let the cops handle it because they already have a suspect: a high school boy. Yeah, the cops have zero history of false arrests with this case. I don't know who the high schooler will turn out to be, but I hope he'll at least have a portrait.
- "But then, I am accustomed to it." I love Japanese stories where a character has a job that requires a lot of experience when they're like twelve. Ocelot being a major at 22, Edgeworth being a lawyer at 20, this stuff is great.
- That one cutscene took like forty minutes, by the way.
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3 weeks ago#186
This is unrelated to P4, but could people summon their personas outside of Tartarus in P3? I remember Chidori once being attacked by hers in the hospital, and I was really hazy on the difference between Tartarus and the real world, whereas in P4 and P5 there's a really clear distinction between the Persona realm and the real world.
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3 weeks ago#187
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- Rise tells us that she doesn't know anything useful, then joins the team. I like how the investigative team social link has increased twice in a single really long cutscene and the cutscene's not even close to being over. Based on how she acts, I get the feeling she's gonna be our 'default' love interest like Aigis and Makoto, right?

Rise is the best character! She's the most open about her feelings for the protagonist, if that's what you're asking.

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- Rise is supposed to be a first-year? So she's supposed to be fourteen?

16, I think. Golden has a scene around here where she notes that her birthday has passed so she's old enough to get a bike license (you get a bike/scooter in Golden). She's older than Kanji, who can't because he's 15. High School in Japan has 3 years, if that's throwing you off. Makoto was a third-year and 18, IIRC.

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This is unrelated to P4, but could people summon their personas outside of Tartarus in P3? I remember Chidori once being attacked by hers in the hospital, and I was really hazy on the difference between Tartarus and the real world, whereas in P4 and P5 there's a really clear distinction between the Persona realm and the real world.

Chidori does, yes. IIRC we discussed this in P3 and I thought Fuuka implied she did or otherwise had limited scanning ability outside the Dark Hour but couldn't point to when and you didn't recall it so who knows.

Re: Tartarus/Dark Hour and the Real World. IIRC, it's stated that the Kirijo Group experiment to cause The Fall 10 years ago by Mitsuru's Grandfather (and the one that Yukari's dad stopped at the cost of creating the Full Moon Shadows and the casualties of the event) led to the creation of the Dark Hour.

It's a bit hazy (or maybe just my memory is) because the accounts of that event change as time goes on. IIRC, the Kirijo Group was initially working on time travel via harnessing shadows (somehow don't ask) but Mitsuru's Grandfather became obsessed with The Fall like Ikutsuki and changed goals to that. Mitsuru's dad has been doing clean-up ever since. I guess if there was originally a time manipulation component involved in the experiment that's the explanation for the Dark Hour being a literal extra hour. Tartarus is located on the site of the old Kirijo lab where the experiment took place so there's that connection. That would mean Kirijo had access to shadows before Dark Hour/Tartarus though if I have all that right.

Maybe the Arena games clean some of this up/explain more? I can't help there though.
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3 weeks ago#188
xp1337 posted...
Chidori does, yes. IIRC we discussed this in P3 and I thought Fuuka implied she did or otherwise had limited scanning ability outside the Dark Hour but couldn't point to when and you didn't recall it so who knows.

Re: Tartarus/Dark Hour and the Real World. IIRC, it's stated that the Kirijo Group experiment to cause The Fall 10 years ago by Mitsuru's Grandfather (and the one that Yukari's dad stopped at the cost of creating the Full Moon Shadows and the casualties of the event) led to the creation of the Dark Hour.

It's a bit hazy (or maybe just my memory is) because the accounts of that event change as time goes on. IIRC, the Kirijo Group was initially working on time travel via harnessing shadows (somehow don't ask) but Mitsuru's Grandfather became obsessed with The Fall like Ikutsuki and changed goals to that. Mitsuru's dad has been doing clean-up ever since. I guess if there was originally a time manipulation component involved in the experiment that's the explanation for the Dark Hour being a literal extra hour. Tartarus is located on the site of the old Kirijo lab where the experiment took place so there's that connection. That would mean Kirijo had access to shadows before Dark Hour/Tartarus though if I have all that right.

Maybe the Arena games clean some of this up/explain more? I can't help there though.

Thanks. I realize the rules are different between each game, which makes it a little more confusing.

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16, I think. Golden has a scene around here where she notes that her birthday has passed so she's old enough to get a bike license (you get a bike/scooter in Golden). She's older than Kanji, who can't because he's 15. High School in Japan has 3 years, if that's throwing you off. Makoto was a third-year and 18, IIRC.

And here I was thinking Kanji was fourteen and the others were fifteen, my bad.
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3 weeks ago#189
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And here I was thinking Kanji was fourteen and the others were fifteen, my bad.

Remember. Japan is 6 years of Elementary school and 3 years of Middle School. So first year high school = 10th grade = 15 years old, or 16 once your birthday passes

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3 weeks ago#190
Generally speaking, it's extremely difficult to use a Persona in the real world. The TV World is extremely responsive to Personas though. In P4A, the P3 guys are all amazed that they can summon theirs without using their evokers.
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