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4 weeks ago#1
I've been playing through the series in the originally intended order by the developers (5-3-4), making topics as I go along, and it's finally time for P4. First we had Brent Johnson (P5) and his lover Makoto, then we had Frank Svensson and his lovers Yukari, Aigis, Chihiro, and Maya (I'd have had Mitsuru in that harem as well but for the reversal mechanic), and soon there will be another high schooler with a clearly Japanese name and a girlfriend. I'll post my thoughts and opinions as I go along. I am playing the PS2 version, not the Vita version, because I don't own a Vita. I know there's extra content in it, but I'll just have to miss it.

Please don't post spoilers until I reach the appropriate part of the game. However, I will spoil P3 and P5 freely.

Full disclosure, I know the following things:
- Its color is yellow, whereas P3's is blue and P5's is red.
- People call it the Scooby-Doo game.
- The main villain is the scruffy-looking guy, I don't know his name but I know he's a meme on 4chan. I considered lying and pretending I didn't know this so that I could 'figure it out' early on and impress everyone with my mystery solving skills, but after screwing up so badly on P3 and P5's mysteries, I don't think there's any redeeming myself anyway.
- It takes place in a rural town instead of a big city like the other games.
- The Morgana of this game is a talking teddy bear who turns into a human.
- There's a fat ugly schoolgirl.
- The Lovers arcana girl has the same hairstyle as Ann.
- There's a girl named Marie whom fans complain doesn't fit in with the rest of the game, but I don't know why.

Questions I have:
1. Is any of the added content in P4G significant?
2. Are girls automatically romanced once you hit the appropriate social link rank, or do you have to make it happen on purpose? I don't want awkward Valentine's Day stuff happening, so I need to know in advance if I should stop after a certain rank.
3. Are the dungeons better than P3's? Because that's not a high bar.
4. Does knowing who the villain is in advance ruin the game's story?

And because people asked in the previous topics,
Makoto >= Kawakami > Aigis > Shadow Sae > Sae > Haru > Yukari > Futaba > Toriumi > Mitsuru > Tae > Hifumi > Ann > Chihiro > Fuuka > Chihaya > Yuko > Ohya

The game is currently paused on the title screen, so now it's time to begin.
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4 weeks ago#2
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I've been playing through the series in the originally intended order by the developers (5-3-4),


What?
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4 weeks ago#3
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1. Is any of the added content in P4G significant?
2. Are girls automatically romanced once you hit the appropriate social link rank, or do you have to make it happen on purpose? I don't want awkward Valentine's Day stuff happening, so I need to know in advance if I should stop after a certain rank.
3. Are the dungeons better than P3's? Because that's not a high bar.
4. Does knowing who the villain is in advance ruin the game's story?


1. Significant? Sure. The most significant addition is a new dungeon revolving around the Golden-exclusive Marie, and a month and a bit of extra days for those events.
2. You can choose to romance or reject them, like P5.
3. Yes, but they're not great still. They at least have a clear theme and some gimmicks, but a lot closer to P3 than P5.
4. It's a shame, but it's not going to ruin things, certainly.
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4 weeks ago#4
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I've been playing through the series in the originally intended order by the developers (5-3-4),


What?

That is what is called a joke, since I obviously played the games in the wrong order.

- Normal difficulty chosen, but can I say how weird it is that the options are laid out as Normal-Beginner-Expert instead of Beginner-Normal-Expert?
- "Please sit back and enjoy the game," this is an odd way to open the game.
- Whenever I see one of these "purely a work of fiction" title screens, I always think of Assassin's Creed 1's talking about how the team that made the game is diverse.

- Igor and his attendant (who looks like an adult-ass woman, as opposed to Elizabeth and the Twins) are on a train? I didn't expect he'd be the first thing I see in the game, that's a change from P3 and P5.
- I notice Igor gives me the opportunity to name myself before I get to see the P4 protagonist, is this some kind of meta thing?
- Like Brent Johnson and Frank Svensson before him, so now begin the adventures of Greg Carlson.
- Igor pulls out some cards and tells me that a terrible catastrophe is imminent. Well I didn't need the cards to tell me that, the game has to have some kind of plot about a godlike creature ending humanity, this is a JRPG, after all. He tells me there'll be a misfortune and mystery at my destination, hm. After I enter into a contract, I'll return to the Velvet Room. I wonder what counts as a contract in the Personaverse. Isn't using a credit card technically a contract with whomever you're using it with?
- The assistant is Margaret, and she does indeed look way older than Elizabeth and the Twins.
- An anime cutscene starts by immediately thrusting teenage boobs in my face. This turns out to be a commercial for soda.
- We learn that Greg transferred to a new school a little while ago. He also owns a modern-looking smartphone, that's not bad for 2008.
- We learn that there's a politician who's having an affair, and this is apparently major news? I've gotta say, that seems incredibly stupid. I guess it's Japan and not America, are affairs taken that seriously over there?
- Greg gets off the train at a dumpy-looking station (apparently by himself) and meets an older guy named Ryotaro Dojima and his little daughter Nadako. He tells Greg that he's his uncle, but uh, wouldn't Greg already know that?
- We get a little cutscene of the area, and it's definitely less glitzy than P5's areas, though I'm not sure about P3's.
- Japanese gas stations have attendants who fuel up your car?!
- "There's so little to do, I'm sure you'll get bored fast. You'll either be hanging out with your friends or getting a job." This was true in Tokyo in P5, too, though!
- Finally we reach Dojima's house and have dinner sitting on our knees on the floor. That looks really uncomfortable. Dojima says we'll have a toast, but then we drink without toasting to anything in particular. Dojima says it's rough to be stuck in this town because of his parents' work right next to his daughter.
- Dojima gets a call. Just from the tone of voice and his tie, I'm guessing he's a cop. I ask Nanako about it and she says he's a detective, nailed it!
- "You can save the game by using the calendar in the living room." Jesus Christ, even in 2008, no one used wall calendars and you damn well know it.
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LeonhartFour
4 weeks ago#5
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1. Is any of the added content in P4G significant?
2. Are girls automatically romanced once you hit the appropriate social link rank, or do you have to make it happen on purpose? I don't want awkward Valentine's Day stuff happening, so I need to know in advance if I should stop after a certain rank.
3. Are the dungeons better than P3's? Because that's not a high bar.
4. Does knowing who the villain is in advance ruin the game's story?


1. Depends on your definition of "significant." It does add a couple of extra S. Links, an extra dungeon, and a bunch of (mostly for fun) events.
2. You can choose friends or lovers in P4, but the Valentine's Day thing is only in Golden, so there are no consequences for romancing all the girls in this one (Reversing Arcanas is--for the most part--not a thing in P4).
3. They're not great, but if you hated Tartarus, they're at least better than that. The first couple are the worst though, just as fair warning. They mostly get better as the game goes along.
4. Eh, I don't think so. There is a pretty satisfying "aha!" feeling once you figure it out, but there's enough content elsewhere to keep you into it.

P4 is my favorite of the three, so good luck!
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4 weeks ago#6
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- Igor and his attendant (who looks like an adult-ass woman, as opposed to Elizabeth and the Twins) are on a train?


I think it's a limo, actually.

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Greg gets off the train at a dumpy-looking station (apparently by himself) and meets an older guy named Ryotaro Dojima and his little daughter Nadako. He tells Greg that he's his uncle, but uh, wouldn't Greg already know that?


I think the implication is that he hasn't seen Dojima since he was really little so he probably barely remembers him.

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- Japanese gas stations have attendants who fuel up your car?!


In some countries, you are not allowed to pump your own gas, yes.
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4 weeks ago#7
- Greg does not eat the fried rice in the fridge.
- Greg goes up to his room and finds that it's a third the size of convicted felon Brent Johnson's.
- Greg has a dream where he's in a foggy area with a door that I know is a door only because of the text box, and otherwise looks like a carpet hanging on a wall. Anyway, I continue through the door and get into a fight with a shadowy figure, complete with my katana, but lose because I can't see through the fog.
- I'm just going to say here, this opening is incredibly confusing compared to P3's and P5's. The first time I'm seeing the word 'persona' is in the battle menu.
- The next morning, Nanko has made breakfast because her dad's a deadbeat. Will this drama be resolved by the end of the game with the aid of Greg Carlson after a crazy adventure involving the inner demons of humanity?! Who can say...
- On the way to school, Greg encounters a clumsy guy on a bicycle with a character portrait. Gee, I wonder if this is the Junpei/Ryuji of the game, I can't possssssssiiiiibbbbbbbllllllyyyyyyy guess. I like how I don't even get the opportunity to ask him if I can help, though, I just move on without a word.
- In class, there's the clumsy guy and two girls with unique models wearing red and green while everyone else is in uniforms. It's good that this game about mysteries is making it so hard to guess who will be important to the plot.
- Oh my God, this teacher's teeth, he's my new favorite character. He's such a dick, I love it. He even makes a reference to MySpace, what a timely reference that will never get old.
- I just realized none of the students have backpacks.
- After class, all of the kids are put into their classrooms, the teachers get called away, and we can hear cop cars through fog but not see them. Could this be related to the mysterious foggy dream? I wonder...
- We learn that the mistress in the political affair is staying at an inn owned by black-haired girl's family.
- All of the students are kicked out of the school grounds. But the most important part of this is that one of the characters is listed as "Girl's friend" even though she is also a girl.
- We finally learn brown-haired girl is Chie and black-haired girl is Yukiko. First impressions: Chie is more interesting, but Yukiko is clearly way prettier, sorry. Chie's hair is really bad.
- Soon we meet a weird-looking student with black pupils who gets angry Yukiko won't go out with him. He sounds unimportant to the story, I won't pay attention to him further.
- Greg and the girls stumble on a crime scene, but the cops already removed the body. Dojima tells us to go home, but we see the scruffy-looking detective Adachi at the scene vomiting. Argh, I wish I hadn't known in advance that he's the villain, it would have been fun to see if I could figure it out.
- At home, Nanako and I are watching TV. We learn that the dead body was the mistress in the political affair, dun dun dun. The cops are unsure if the death is an accident or a homicide. Yes, this death where a woman in a scandalous affair was found hanging from an antenna in a suburb might easily be an accident, I can see that.
- We get another ad for Junes, they'll be a villain as well, I'm sure of it. There wouldn't need to be such an emphasis on them otherwise.
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4 weeks ago#8
LeonhartFour posted...
I think the implication is that he hasn't seen Dojima since he was really little so he probably barely remembers him.

Yeah, I guess.
LeonhartFour posted...
In some countries, you are not allowed to pump your own gas, yes.

I knew that's the law in some US state (New Jersey?), but I had no idea that was true in Japan.

And I don't get Marie in this game? Is she anything interesting?
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Xiahou Shake
4 weeks ago#9
LeonhartFour posted...
In some countries, you are not allowed to pump your own gas, yes.

This is also the case in New Jersey and, until very recently, Oregon, believe it or not! (Tag)
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Sceptilesolar
4 weeks ago#10
I don't hate Marie, but she's pretty much a boilerplate tsundere character.
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