Politics Containment Topic 180: The Summit All Fears

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User Info: red sox 777

red sox 777
6 days ago#21
Jakyl25 posted...
neonreaper posted...
I do like Trump's appeal about the hotels, actually. It's along the lines of his talk-past-the-deal tactic.


The problem is that they’ll be Trump hotels


I'm fine with 100 new Trump hotels in NK if it gets them to open up the country.

By the way, I heard that real estate prices in Dandong, China (on the NK border) are up 1000% this year, even before the Summit yesterday. There's a ton of business opportunity here if NK does decide to open for business.
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6 days ago#22
I should clarify:

What is the difference between what Trump claimed was wrong with the Iran deal, and what the NK deal actually IS? Because the claim was that the U.S. got nothing from the Iran deal and gave up a lot...yet I’m seeing nothing to show that that description doesn’t apply to the NK deal.
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User Info: red sox 777

red sox 777
6 days ago#23
YeahNot_an_Owl posted...
Espeon posted...
Could someone please explain the difference, if any, between the agreement with NK and the deal Trump reneged on with Iran?

The Iran deal actually had specifics and details.


Yeah, I can't help but notice the similarity between this deal and the Anglo-German friendship agreement Chamberlain and Hitler signed in 1938. No details, driven heavily by a claimed personal trust between the leaders, big promises of peace.
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6 days ago#24
Espeon posted...
I should clarify:

What is the difference between what Trump claimed was wrong with the Iran deal, and what the NK deal actually IS? Because the claim was that the U.S. got nothing from the Iran deal and gave up a lot...yet I’m seeing nothing to show that that description doesn’t apply to the NK deal.


What we're getting from the NK deal is they get rid of their nuclear weapons. Iran doesn't have any, so they don't have anything so valuable to give us.
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6 days ago#25
red sox 777 posted...
Espeon posted...
I should clarify:

What is the difference between what Trump claimed was wrong with the Iran deal, and what the NK deal actually IS? Because the claim was that the U.S. got nothing from the Iran deal and gave up a lot...yet I’m seeing nothing to show that that description doesn’t apply to the NK deal.


What we're getting from the NK deal is they get rid of their nuclear weapons. Iran doesn't have any, so they don't have anything so valuable to give us.


You mean the nuclear weapons they can’t use because they blew up their only testing facility? Again, it seems to me like America gave up a lot in exchange for nothing, whereas the Iran deal was more balanced.
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red sox 777
6 days ago#26
Espeon posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Espeon posted...
I should clarify:

What is the difference between what Trump claimed was wrong with the Iran deal, and what the NK deal actually IS? Because the claim was that the U.S. got nothing from the Iran deal and gave up a lot...yet I’m seeing nothing to show that that description doesn’t apply to the NK deal.


What we're getting from the NK deal is they get rid of their nuclear weapons. Iran doesn't have any, so they don't have anything so valuable to give us.


You mean the nuclear weapons they can’t use because they blew up their only testing facility? Again, it seems to me like America gave up a lot in exchange for nothing, whereas the Iran deal was more balanced.


They already finished testing. They have the weapons built already. And even if their delivery technology is unreliable, that's not a chance we want to take.
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red sox 777
6 days ago#27
Trump's comments about the hotels is absolutely correct, though. Development of North Korea is the long term guarantee of any peace deal, for both sides. They don't trust us, for good reason, and we don't trust them, for good reason. But if in 15 years Pyongyang resembles Seoul or Singapore, no one is going to want to go back.
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User Info: Peace___Frog

Peace___Frog
6 days ago#28
red sox 777 posted...
What we're getting from the NK deal is they get rid of their nuclear weapons. Iran doesn't have any, so they don't have anything so valuable to give us.

Are you actually that naive or what
~Peaf~

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red sox 777
6 days ago#29
Peace___Frog posted...
red sox 777 posted...
What we're getting from the NK deal is they get rid of their nuclear weapons. Iran doesn't have any, so they don't have anything so valuable to give us.

Are you actually that naive or what


Read my posts. I compared it to the Anglo-German friendship agreement of 1938. They haven't actually handed over any nukes yet. But if they do, then that would be a bargain well struck.
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red sox 777
6 days ago#30
And I guess, when it comes time to hand over the nukes, it'll be to China or Russia. Dems are going to throw a fit if it's Russia.
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