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User Info: redundancies

redundancies
4 weeks ago#21
UltimaterializerX posted...
It’s 100% relevant, because Hearthstone does not punish misplays due to the RNG component.

You're showing one example of misplays not being punished. I have seen and participated in plenty of examples where misplay does get punished.

UltimaterializerX posted...
He of course roped every turn and did the ADHD spam garbage that Blizzard refuses to turn off because a female community manager thinks players should communicate with each other — while of course claiming women are always harassed in games and that they should be protected from men communicating with them.

This kind of came out of left field, but:

1) You can squelch

2) There's a significant difference between a generic emote, and actual harassment e.g. multiple messages that are threatening or misogynistic.
UltimaterializerX 4 weeks ago#22
Hunter has an empty hand and a single Goblin Bomb on board. The literal only possible way he can win is top decking Missile Launcher. He of course top decks Missile Launcher.

I then kill it. He has an empty hand and board, and I have 3 health. He OF COURSE top decks his other Missile Launcher for lethal.

And why? Because Hearthstone is luck-based trash with absolutely no basis in skill level. RNG and luck decides EVERY result. No decision either player makes matters. The end.
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User Info: redundancies

redundancies
4 weeks ago#23
UltimaterializerX posted...
Hunter has an empty hand and a single Goblin Bomb on board. The literal only possible way he can win is top decking Missile Launcher. He of course top decks Missile Launcher.

I then kill it. He has an empty hand and board, and I have 3 health.

You are aware that hunters have this hero power that deals 2 damage to face, right? Not to mention plenty of spells that could be topdecked to attack face for additional damage...

So that's, what, three examples over the last 48 hours of RNG and this latest one is sketchy. Given that I (filthy casual) have played more games of Hearthstone that than over that span, I can assume you (achieved legend three times) have as well. What about the other games?
UltimaterializerX 4 weeks ago#24
It was Mech Hunter. Mech Hunters aren't usually running Kill Command or Baited Arrow. I don't think I've ever seen one run Rapid Fire or Arcane Shot. He had already used both Bomb Toss and had wasted Leroy Jenkins because the guy was terrible.

He was probably running this exact list, actually: https://hsreplay.net/decks/i9FjITuDopBvyhcUkL2ich/

If they were running these extra burn cards, whatever, I wouldn't care. But he top decked the exact three cards he needed (Venomizer, Missile Launcher, Missile Launcher) to win. Nothing else in the deck kills me and he was 100% dead to rights.

He did not win based on good plays or good decisions. It was literal, 100% luck with a mix of "Hearthstone is terrible and doesn't punish misplays" thrown in. In NO WAY does skill decide any single result in this game.
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redundancies
4 weeks ago#25
UltimaterializerX posted...
had wasted Leroy Jenkins because the guy was terrible.

Or because he wanted to put you on a clock. I mean, you did say you had three health left...

UltimaterializerX posted...
If they were running these extra burn cards, whatever, I wouldn't care. But he top decked the exact three cards he needed (Venomizer, Missile Launcher, Missile Launcher) to win. Nothing else in the deck kills me and he was 100% dead to rights.

Nothing else in the standard netdeck kills you...except for obviously two Steady Shots to the face. And of course we all know that everyone just runs the standard netdeck with no variation.

As you didn't specify that you had anything resembling lethal, I just assumed he had worn you down and you were just blaming RNG since he killed you a turn earlier than he would have. /shrug
UltimaterializerX 4 weeks ago#26
I had 3 trees and 2 dryads out with Savage Roar in hand when he top decked the first missile launcher, which he swung face for 6. He didn't hit my face with Leroy earlier in the game. He literally wasted it on a minion.

His bad play meant nothing because of draw luck. Hearthstone is by far the worst about that s***.
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User Info: CarbonKirby

CarbonKirby
4 weeks ago#27
What inspired you to spend countless hours to grind to legend three times in what you describe as "the worst game ever made"

It must have taken a long time with a ~50% win rate.
Back then he was a hero, his name one to be respected.
UltimaterializerX 4 weeks ago#28
I usually win 55-60%. I've had some months in the 62-63% range.
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User Info: EverElite

EverElite
4 weeks ago#29
UltimaterializerX posted...
I usually win 55-60%. I've had some months in the 62-63% range.


You must be an extremely lucky player
UltimaterializerX posted...
In the video, some idiot forgot to attack with Edwin and still won. He was in no way punished for the type of idiocy that auto loses in any correctly designed game.

Because skill, in no way, decides results.


I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but something that changed my mind about skill = everything in Hearthstone is when Amaz, a popular Hearthstone streamer and someone who is known for his skill (debatable) in the game, was using a good deck and lost to a newbie at like Rank 20-25 with a poor card pool.

Was the new player superior or did RNG have a lot to do with his win? And if RNG had a lot to do with his win, where does skill come into play?
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