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User Info: Merit Celaire

Merit Celaire
6 years ago#31
Kuro_666 posted...
Wiimote works through Sensor Bar via bluetooth or similar technology, as far as I know. It doesn't actually track your movements, but tracks the movements of Wiimote sensor on its higher end(the black thing, you'll see). That's why precise movement recognition or tracking is impossible. It is, however, possible to make Wiimote being tracked better with Wii Motion Plus, AFAIK.


I do know one thing is for certain -- we still have to be very sure that we play this game in an open area. Granted, there might be some actions that may require that we have adequate room to pull moves off correctly.

User Info: Kuro_666

Kuro_666
6 years ago#32
I seriously doubt that.
None of the dance games I played yet required that, because I actually NEVER danced while playing them. Just laid on a bunch of pillows before the TV and...played...

Wii isn't a console that really REQUIRES it. If you want it to require - it probably will, but if you don't - it doesn't.

User Info: Merit Celaire

Merit Celaire
6 years ago#33
^ Oh wow, that's very clever. But did you still leave enough room for the Wii Sensor bar to detect your Wii controller actions, by any chance?

User Info: GEL

GEL
6 years ago#34
WOW do I regret not posting here earlier!

Alright, first of all: We Cheer. The way that game works is it can be played with 2 Wiimotes for 2 handed play as well as 1. Arrows are displayed on-screen and you move the controller along with the on-screen characters and arrows.

What SEEMS to be happening behind the scenes is that each arrow has a certain speed/tilt it's looking for (as the Wii cannot read controller position) and it checks the reading from the controller and if it comes close enough you get a pass. Speed is the most important element it seems as sometimes I swing the controller in the opposite direction but if the speed is spot-on it's okay. It's VERY picky about speed though so successfully duping it may be hard depending on the difficulty level of the game.

You will not need to be in the sensor bar's view as you dance as it is basically not used at all except for menus.

Also, the Motion Plus only enhances Motion Plus enhanced games.. It will do nothing to games that don't use it as it's just a gyroscope and is sending a completely different set of readings from the rest of the controller. If your game isn't made to read the gyroscope, then it won't read it. Period.

If you wanna see We Cheer and Happy Dance Collection in action...

We Cheer 1 Picture-in-Picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgCiSxPfg60
(The first game was so picky, putting my hands on my hips was the ONLY way to do that first part right!)

Happy Dance Collection Gameplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FJCgqKzKA4

We Cheer 2 Gameplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KISNiPKFb3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm9Y24X4p84

My video review of Samba de Amigo Wii and We Cheer 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC9kIxk-pnE
...All-Star Cheer Squad, Happy Dance Collection, and Haruhi no Gekidou:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXQoaZSjhw
...We Cheer 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSDrnnrJUj0

I've also got some picture-in-picture LPing of We Cheer 2 on that channel.



Now, as for the Kinect? What it does badly is that it's laggy and inaccurate. Yes it can track your whole body but there is always a delay and without a physical controller to track it only follows the general area of your hand rather than a specific spot. It's an incredible piece of technology and really can pick you out from your environment, track your whole body, and identify you, but it does none of it very well.

Dancing games are the one thing that does work well on Kinect as there are ways to program around the inaccuracies and lag.

The Move...calling it "a Wiimote that requires a camera" isn't exactly accurate. If you just want Wii-level motion control you CAN use it without a camera. You can scroll through menus and crap just by holding the trigger and waving the controller. The thing is that the camera is what makes it MORE than a Wiimote and makes it ridiculously accurate. As such, most Move games use said camera.

As for who did it first...that gets iffy and weird. Sony was actually experimenting with the Move back on PS1, but back then it was just a colored ball on a stick they were gonna pack-in with whatever game used it. It was probably shelved because they didn't think it would sell, until the Wiimote came along. THEN they gave it funding and made it a full fledged controller.

Yeah, as a motion control aficionado, the Move is my controller of choice. However, there is NOTHING ON IT! Making a Move game is just too much of a risk in this market. As such I just sit here playing Gladiator Duel and screaming 'WHYYYYYYYY!!!!!" because I'd really love to see that fleshed out into a full game.

...amusingly, I have not seen a single worthwhile dancing game on Move. Dance Magic is good, but is best played WITHOUT the Move.
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User Info: GEL

GEL
6 years ago#35
OH! Forgot to mention! About the way We Cheer does motion control: Keep moving PAST the end of the arrow. When the star gets to the end of the arrow, that's the final motion check. If you stop short it will fail you.

As for the fact that I actually AM standing up and dancing? Yeah the game likes the controller to keep moving in one direction for a while, nice big sweeping motions. It still doesn't use the sensor bar but having enough space to move your arms would be good. It's honestly easier to really dance than to try and nail the speed just right while spinning the controller in order to dupe it...unless you're playing on Easy Mode in We Cheer 2.

I think that's MY big question: Will this game have a Normal and/or Hard Mode? Keep in mind We Cheer is...well it's a cheerleading game so yes it's aimed at little girls. It still has a very brutal Hard Mode.
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User Info: Merit Celaire

Merit Celaire
6 years ago#36
GEL posted...
I think that's MY big question: Will this game have a Normal and/or Hard Mode? Keep in mind We Cheer is...well it's a cheerleading game so yes it's aimed at little girls. It still has a very brutal Hard Mode.


I'm really not sure because details for this game in question are still in lock and key at the moment.

Slight off-topic; GEL, check your PMs if you haven't already. I might send another one your way later.

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zh_jiaming
6 years ago#37
Merit Celaire posted...
GEL posted...
I think that's MY big question: Will this game have a Normal and/or Hard Mode? Keep in mind We Cheer is...well it's a cheerleading game so yes it's aimed at little girls. It still has a very brutal Hard Mode.


I'm really not sure because details for this game in question are still in lock and key at the moment.

Slight off-topic; GEL, check your PMs if you haven't already. I might send another one your way later.


In the trailer the little girl clearly picks easymodo rather than hard mode.

User Info: Kuro_666

Kuro_666
6 years ago#38
Merit Celaire posted...
^ Oh wow, that's very clever. But did you still leave enough room for the Wii Sensor bar to detect your Wii controller actions, by any chance?


Quite enough. The position of the TV in the room is such, that I won't be closer to it than 1 meter(it won't pick any info from Wiimote if you're closer, or will be buggy as hell. I actually can move closer to it, but I wouldn't, right?) and won't ever be farther than 4 meters, so I can't go too far from it, meaning it will always get movement info from Wiimote.

User Info: Merit Celaire

Merit Celaire
6 years ago#39
zh_jiaming posted...
Merit Celaire posted...
GEL posted...
I think that's MY big question: Will this game have a Normal and/or Hard Mode? Keep in mind We Cheer is...well it's a cheerleading game so yes it's aimed at little girls. It still has a very brutal Hard Mode.


I'm really not sure because details for this game in question are still in lock and key at the moment.

Slight off-topic; GEL, check your PMs if you haven't already. I might send another one your way later.


In the trailer the little girl clearly picks easymodo rather than hard mode.


Hmm... didn't notice this -- specifically where in the preview video or commercial did you see this at...?

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CranberryPSO
6 years ago#40
My copy of this game arrived today. Review and videos coming soon!
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