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User Info: googler

googler
4 months ago#211
This is why you should have taken any authoritarianism you saw under any previous administrations seriously rather than excuse it, dismiss it, or be a fanboy for them. Lawsuits are going to fail so get used to it- Bush and Obama especially, already set the climate to circumvent their legal constraints by allowing federal agencies essentially carte blanche power to simply "regulate" rather than drafting legitimate laws and their own regulations for the bureaucracy to operate under. This is intentional to create loopholes to exploit, now or down the line with a successor so hack AG's can puff their chests all they like- it's all for nothing. To add to this there were already multiple acts passed by the government at least a century old, with complementary follow-up acts that already did what Obama, every tech lobbyist, every shill journalist scared you into thinking the NN would protect you from. They not only bulls*** you with something no ISP in their right f***ing minds would ever do to you because it would not only lead to anti-trust suits, consumer lawsuits, state lawsuits, but it would ruin their brand and leave it all open for a competitor to claim.
What was shameful was that the Obama admin DRAGGED YOU into a fight that really had f***-all to do with you. Even that very "Netflix" pretext Obama sold you was flawed- it was the equivalent of a Starbucks courting certain political hacks into getting government to use ham-fisted and heavy handed tactics to FORCE a McDonald's or Burger King to simply give up floor space in their store, parking lot so that Starbucks could hock their s***ty coffee or foods without any regard how it affects McDonald's own investment into their own franchise nor require Starbucks to compensate anyone for anything. Love or hate Trump or Ajit Pai, or whether they do what they did for genuine reasons, they are by default still acting in YOUR overall interests when they actually remove that level of autocratic power from a government bureaucracy.
Second of all, you should really take vague language seriously. Net Neutrality doesn't specify what is your "legal behavior" using the internet, but what it does do is allow the middlemen content providers that essentially make up most of the internet traffic to become viceroys for your right to free speech, partially because of the lack of any definition within Net Neutrality. The other problem is that ISP's are strictly regulated with how they operate their "lanes" and who can go on them but then they COMPLETELY EXEMPTED the middlemen like Google, who make up most of that traffic to do whatever the f*** they want. Politically biased, virtue-signaling, fascistic Google were allowed to act like a street gang and declare themselves the viceroy over when, where your free speech can pass- with no reason why it may not, no repercussion if they don't allow it to pass the lane they're now occupying. This whole time, if you were for NN then you were begging for your own eventual censorship...if not now then consider that it would hit you eventually. Remember that the people who created and influenced the passage of Net Neutrality not only openly bragged their intent to suppress you but they proved it by putting it into practice and that it's just your bias that keeps you from caring at the moment over what kind of scam they actually tried to pull on you.

User Info: brubie

brubie
4 months ago#212
wasn't NN was about the pipe? google is just a service that runs over the pipe. you are forced to use the pipe, but not forced to use google.

it does seem like something of this nature should come from congress, not FCC though.

User Info: googler

googler
4 months ago#213
brubie posted...
wasn't NN was about the pipe? google is just a service that runs over the pipe. you are forced to use the pipe, but not forced to use google.

it does seem like something of this nature should come from congress, not FCC though.


That was the most advertised point of it and the thing is we already have plenty of regulations/laws going back as far as the 1890's that already offered protections that Obama's FCC scaremongered and essentially lied that we needed. This should have left the public out aside from watchdogs maintaining our rights- which in NN there seemed to be none; and this should have been resolved between ISP's and the edge/content providers, and in many cases it was.

Although Google makes up a significant portion of the web, they just happen to have the same politics and agendas as Microsoft, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, multiple web hosts, etc.- just about every major broker of online content and social platforms actually and they stood to gain a disproportionate amount of power to wield against the public with absolutely nothing to concede in return or any oversight on how they wield that power.
They are essentially the vehicles that take you through the ISPs' highway and because NN does cite that there should be no discrimination against "legal content", they don't draw the definition of what is "legal" nor does it restrict edge providers like the ones just mentioned from doing any damn thing they want to anyone's content for any reason or no reason whatsoever. It basically allows anyone to claim all the open roads of a city but then places a stipulation that any roving street gang- as long as they're large enough, to simply occupy any of these streets and decide who passes.

User Info: stevieb1234567

stevieb1234567
4 months ago#214
I don't think anything's really going to change you got to remember net neutrality is only been active since 2015 when the law was passed we all were fine before then why aren't we I think the only thing they're able to really mess with more now is our speed so you be paying the same amount for high-speed internet and they can slow down your speeds all I want and slowing down for certain sites but other than that everyone will just be fine
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User Info: CapwnD

CapwnD
4 months ago#215
stevieb1234567 posted...
I don't think anything's really going to change you got to remember net neutrality is only been active since 2015 when the law was passed we all were fine before then why aren't we

This has to be the god damn dummest thing that people keep saying.

We weren't all fine, and people were dropping cable like mad, why do you think they made the law in the first place? You think the cable companies who still have us by the pubes are going to just take a loss like that? All those people and all these millennials not paying for cable TV?

EDIT: I just read your other comments, so you even said yourself that it could cause things like throttling and netflix to charge more money. So why are you saying that things were fine before 2015 when you seem to understand the kinds of things that will happen?
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User Info: Kovatch

Kovatch
4 months ago#216
Alot of laws pass without being necessary.
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User Info: Oliver_Oliver

Oliver_Oliver
4 months ago#217
CapwnD posted...
stevieb1234567 posted...
I don't think anything's really going to change you got to remember net neutrality is only been active since 2015 when the law was passed we all were fine before then why aren't we

This has to be the god damn dummest thing that people keep saying.

We weren't all fine, and people were dropping cable like mad, why do you think they made the law in the first place? You think the cable companies who still have us by the pubes are going to just take a loss like that? All those people and all these millennials not paying for cable TV?

EDIT: I just read your other comments, so you even said yourself that it could cause things like throttling and netflix to charge more money. So why are you saying that things were fine before 2015 when you seem to understand the kinds of things that will happen?


I'm in 100% agreement with @CapwnD

Kovatch posted...
Alot of laws pass without being necessary.


@Kovatch
Net Neutrality is necessary.... read CapwnD's response above and hopefully you'll understand. The scary part is, there is even more to why Net Neutrality was put in the first place. There was a lot of bulls*** certain ISP's were starting (and attempting) to pull prior to 2015.
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User Info: stevieb1234567

stevieb1234567
4 months ago#218
CapwnD posted...
stevieb1234567 posted...
I don't think anything's really going to change you got to remember net neutrality is only been active since 2015 when the law was passed we all were fine before then why aren't we

This has to be the god damn dummest thing that people keep saying.

We weren't all fine, and people were dropping cable like mad, why do you think they made the law in the first place? You think the cable companies who still have us by the pubes are going to just take a loss like that? All those people and all these millennials not paying for cable TV?

EDIT: I just read your other comments, so you even said yourself that it could cause things like throttling and netflix to charge more money. So why are you saying that things were fine before 2015 when you seem to understand the kinds of things that will happen?


No urright and itsucks and its def not a good thing i just think its being blown out of proportion a little bit but ur right
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User Info: Beasthunt

Beasthunt
4 months ago#219
googler posted...
This is why you should have taken any authoritarianism you saw under any previous administrations seriously rather than excuse it, dismiss it, or be a fanboy for them. Lawsuits are going to fail so get used to it- Bush and Obama especially, already set the climate to circumvent their legal constraints by allowing federal agencies essentially carte blanche power to simply "regulate" rather than drafting legitimate laws and their own regulations for the bureaucracy to operate under. This is intentional to create loopholes to exploit, now or down the line with a successor so hack AG's can puff their chests all they like- it's all for nothing. To add to this there were already multiple acts passed by the government at least a century old, with complementary follow-up acts that already did what Obama, every tech lobbyist, every shill journalist scared you into thinking the NN would protect you from. They not only bulls*** you with something no ISP in their right f***ing minds would ever do to you because it would not only lead to anti-trust suits, consumer lawsuits, state lawsuits, but it would ruin their brand and leave it all open for a competitor to claim.
What was shameful was that the Obama admin DRAGGED YOU into a fight that really had f***-all to do with you. Even that very "Netflix" pretext Obama sold you was flawed- it was the equivalent of a Starbucks courting certain political hacks into getting government to use ham-fisted and heavy handed tactics to FORCE a McDonald's or Burger King to simply give up floor space in their store, parking lot so that Starbucks could hock their s***ty coffee or foods without any regard how it affects McDonald's own investment into their own franchise nor require Starbucks to compensate anyone for anything. Love or hate Trump or Ajit Pai, or whether they do what they did for genuine reasons, they are by default still acting in YOUR overall interests when they actually remove that level of autocratic power from a government bureaucracy.
Second of all, you should really take vague language seriously. Net Neutrality doesn't specify what is your "legal behavior" using the internet, but what it does do is allow the middlemen content providers that essentially make up most of the internet traffic to become viceroys for your right to free speech, partially because of the lack of any definition within Net Neutrality. The other problem is that ISP's are strictly regulated with how they operate their "lanes" and who can go on them but then they COMPLETELY EXEMPTED the middlemen like Google, who make up most of that traffic to do whatever the f*** they want. Politically biased, virtue-signaling, fascistic Google were allowed to act like a street gang and declare themselves the viceroy over when, where your free speech can pass- with no reason why it may not, no repercussion if they don't allow it to pass the lane they're now occupying. This whole time, if you were for NN then you were begging for your own eventual censorship...if not now then consider that it would hit you eventually. Remember that the people who created and influenced the passage of Net Neutrality not only openly bragged their intent to suppress you but they proved it by putting it into practice and that it's just your bias that keeps you from caring at the moment over what kind of scam they actually tried to pull on you.


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User Info: Kovatch

Kovatch
4 months ago#220
It is being blown out of proportion.
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