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User Info: zinformant

zinformant
8 years ago#1
If nothing else, read number 6.
After reading the VLR Answers (well, the first 80, at least), there are some issues, mostly related to these, I wanted to bring to the table for folks to think about.

1. We have the issue of the woman Luna is based on, who is presumably named Diana and will be termed as such henceforth. Diana first met Sigma (Klim consciousness) at the test site and survived while Sigma lost his arms and eye. She was at Rhizome-9 and was used as the model for Luna at the command of Klim upon Kyle's request. This is odd. Who is Diana, and what role does she play in this? K certainly knew nothing of her. Did someone want her dead in ZE3? Why? And how does she know she killed 6 billion people from releasing Radical-6? We have the three survivor problem again since we know Phi, Sigma, Tenmyouji, and Diana at least all survived the incident. If all four survived and the trasmission was in VLR-relevant timelines, then it means one thing: one of these four has been traveling through time already. See number 2.

Next, let's talk Luna. 016. It either means she's the sixteenth GAULEM Klim made or it's meant to be read as 61. 2061. This could be the year Luna was built. I name files by dates; it's a standard convention.
2074-2061 = 13 years
Sigma is, what, 22? I can't remember. Even if not, the math will still work out but be offset by a year or two.
K's age in 2061 was about 9, then. This would be the time he was a little K we see in the CG, when Luna was built. Thus, Luna may have been activated in 2061. That certainly gave Klim the time to prepare the Lagomorph AI first seeing as how Luna is a subset of that. The question becomes what was this Diana woman doing this entire time.
As a side note, Akane came when K was 18, and 4 years passed by (18+4=22) before the project was ready.

I could see them cheaping out and reusing Luna's character model here, too, because one of the questions that I actually didn't list said that the writer was going to go 3D to save money. That suggests that they will be doing some recycling, I imagine.

2. The writer mentions jumping with the entire body which is what Akane proposed for Alice and Clover. He also suggests that this may be (read: must be) Brother's way of living for so long, body jumping through time, as opposed to simply staying alive for so long. Why does Akane know of--and use--Brother's technique?
Additionally, this lends much credence to the theory that Alice will be mistakenly sent back too far into the past to become ALLICE. I am concerned for Clover, however. Is she really in cold sleep?

Regarding ALLICE, I want to remind everyone that Akane and Santa tell Junpei that, if Ice-9 spreads, it would be the end of the world. I have a certain fear that that detail was not dropped lightly.

3. Akane wants to be with Junpei, but her plan, for some reason, makes it such that she cannot. What, do you propose, the reason could be? The most positive answer I can come up with is that she was busy working on something for a long time (she wasn't at Rhizome-9). What? I don't know.
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zinformant
8 years ago#2
4. From question 49, where does Hephaestus Systems come up in the game? The Secret Files? It's not mentioned in 999.

5. From question 52, Akane is wearing a ring on her 'right hand'. What does that mean? We have this right-left imagery going on again.

6. From question 64, Free the Soul of Y's omitted 'of Y' part means 'left eye of Horus'. A quick search (Wikipedia) says that the eye of Horus was gouged out and became the sacred eye of Udjat. It's also known as the Eye of Ra which links it to the sun. We have a ton of solar imagery in the series. But that's not the interesting part.

When discussing Phi's name, it's usually brought up that Phi, among many other things, denotes the golden ratio.
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/student.folders/frietag.mark/homepage/goldenratio/image19.gif
Our eye here has an interesting property that I had not known about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus#Mathematics
The golden ratio.
Free the Soul of Phi
I don't know what it means, but it's progress, I think.

7. What could Snake's harp business mean? Snake's whereabouts are relevant to ZE3, for better or for worse. The harp seems like an odd detail at first. Here is the original scene for review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPbUe5za4Q#t=22m33s
The odd part is that Clover is in cold sleep.

8. Phi and Brother have the same backstory. Interpret this as you will.

My head is spinning from point 6 and its possible implications, so I'll stop there. Thoughts on anything?
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User Info: BeanBeanKingdom

BeanBeanKingdom
8 years ago#3
zinformant posted...
When discussing Phi's name, it's usually brought up that Phi, among many other things, denotes the golden ratio.
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/student.folders/frietag.mark/homepage/goldenratio/image19.gif
Our eye here has an interesting property that I had not known about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus#Mathematics
The golden ratio.
Free the Soul of Phi
I don't know what it means, but it's progress, I think.


Holy crap, you're definitely on to something here. I think Phi will somehow be connected to both Brother and Aoi.
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User Info: rockitman7394

rockitman7394
8 years ago#4
About Hephaestus Systems:

It was mentioned in one of the secret files to be the company that originally designed the Gaulems, before Sigma stole and re-engineered them for his own purposes. When I researched Hephaestus a while back i found that Hephaestus was the Greek god (notice a LOT of Greek/Roman mythology popping up) that fashioned (among other things) CLAY automotons (hence the Gaulems, though i think it's interesting they're made out of clay), Helios' (sun god) chariot, Achilles' armor, the fire that Prometheus stole, and somehow created Pandora, the first woman, out of clay...again. Anyways take all that stuff for what you will.

As for the points you make:

I have no idea how Phi ties into all this with Brother and Santa (considering their extremely similar designs) but Phi clearly knows more than she lets on (It seems more and more that the message in the security room "She knows everything" relates to her), and whether her loyalty truly lies with FzS or Crashkeys is likely to be a central conflict for ZE3

User Info: emurii

emurii
8 years ago#5
BeanBeanKingdom posted...
zinformant posted...
When discussing Phi's name, it's usually brought up that Phi, among many other things, denotes the golden ratio.
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/student.folders/frietag.mark/homepage/goldenratio/image19.gif
Our eye here has an interesting property that I had not known about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus#Mathematics
The golden ratio.
Free the Soul of Phi
I don't know what it means, but it's progress, I think.


Holy crap, you're definitely on to something here. I think Phi will somehow be connected to both Brother and Aoi.


Unnfff, this is amazing. I'm finally beginning to be persuaded by your Phi/Brother argument. I think these were two of the most important, conspicuous clues he gave us.

User Info: Janthran

Janthran
8 years ago#6
rockitman7394 posted...
When I researched Hephaestus a while back i found that Hephaestus was the Greek god (notice a LOT of Greek/Roman mythology popping up)


No, here's the weird thing. There is a lot of Roman mythology in the series, like the keys in 999, and the fact that everything in Rhizome9 is written in Latin. Hephaestus is Greek. It's the only name in the series that is decidedly a Greek god, and they could have used Vulcan (His Roman name) instead, but they decided not to. Why?

Probably not relevant, but I just wanted to point out there is a lot of Roman mythology, not Greek.
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User Info: zinformant

zinformant
8 years ago#7
Janthran posted...
No, here's the weird thing. There is a lot of Roman mythology in the series, like the keys in 999, and the fact that everything in Rhizome9 is written in Latin. Hephaestus is Greek. It's the only name in the series that is decidedly a Greek god, and they could have used Vulcan (His Roman name) instead, but they decided not to. Why?


Interesting. It must have been deliberate (even Diana is Roman), but why?
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User Info: Ro9ge

Ro9ge
8 years ago#8
zinformant posted...
When discussing Phi's name, it's usually brought up that Phi, among many other things, denotes the golden ratio.
http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/student.folders/frietag.mark/homepage/goldenratio/image19.gif
Our eye here has an interesting property that I had not known about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus#Mathematics
The golden ratio.
Free the Soul of Phi
I don't know what it means, but it's progress, I think.


Er...that link about the Eye of Horus just says that it denotes being divided by powers of two. What does that have to do with the golden ratio? It's just related to math, not the golden ratio specifically, unless I'm missing something.

User Info: zinformant

zinformant
8 years ago#9
A plot of the golden ratio as fractions of a square (which is linked) and of halves (shown underneath the eye image in the linked Wiki article) are almost identical. It's imperfect, sure, but the difference between the two figures is not noticeable to the naked eye.
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User Info: Ro9ge

Ro9ge
8 years ago#10
Ah. The first link doesn't work for me - it's just blank - so it's hard to understand exactly what you're talking about. I assume the golden ratio picture you mean is this? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Whirling_squares.svg

If so then sorry, but it really doesn't relate. Halves just that, halves. Divide by two, nothing special. The golden ratio is distinctly different from that, you're having a unique number ratio of 1.6 etc that's considered to be aesthetically pleasing and has other cool functions. Even though it can be illustrated as fitting inside a square, that's the only similarity I see from a math standpoint. The idea isn't related. It's just that 1/2 happens to look close to 1/1.6. But the Horus one's a square, and the Golden Ratio is a rectangle.

Not saying you're wrong about Phi, since I really like that theory, but...yeah.
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