Link is not an avatar. He has personality. He has character.

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User Info: Jakerific44

Jakerific44
2 years ago#181
mp443556 posted...
Jakerific44 posted...
mp443556 posted...
Perhaps we can save some time if we came to some agreement about some discrete definition of what it means to be an avatar before we try to figure out whether or not Link is one.


"an icon or figure representing a particular person in computer games, Internet forums, etc." - Google

Link is a character, and an icon that represents Link, not a 'particular person.'

That's not the definition we seem to be using though. If it was then it would be pretty cut and dry that Link is an avatar insofar that he is the vessel through which the player (i.e. any particular person) interacts with the game.


No, this definition shows that an avatar is an icon of the player. Link is not.
That's like saying Mario is an avatar because you can play as Mario.
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User Info: Jakerific44

Jakerific44
2 years ago#182
ZeroX91 posted...
Jakerific44 posted...
ZeroX91 posted...
Jakerific44 posted...
And seriously, why are people only talking about the gender debate in this topic? Ffs, it wasn't even the focus of my original post.

So Ys is better than Zelda....just puttin it out there.


I've honestly never heard of it, but I like the artstyle. I'll have to look into it.

The first two games are rough and the only two you actually need to play in order, they were supposed to be a single game, can get most of them on steam or the psp/vita. Plot wise it's kinda like if you combined Zelda with The Odyssey.


That sounds really neat. I'll need to play those sometime.
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Jakerific44
2 years ago#183
hop918 posted...
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I could make a game with the most complex of characters, and yet I could also claim that I meant for him to represent the player. Does that make it true? Of course it doesn't.


But that's the thing none of the Links are complex, most of the time they're given the bare minimum of a personality just so they don't look like robots as you're playing the game. Also like someone else said before most of their personalities come from the generic hero character, they don't stray much further than that. If you're going to tell me that that is what makes them one similar character, then I'm going to tell you they are the same as any generic hero character you can find. Hell half the stuff you mentioned earlier from what the Links have in common are personality traits that all Shonen protagonists share. If you were to list Links' common personality traits without telling someone who you were talking about, he could be mistaken for many different characters that fit what you were describing. I don't believe Link is fully an avatar, but I'm also not going to say he has a full developed personality that makes him or any of his others stand out as different from other hero characters.


An established and generic personality does not need to be complex. I'm sorry if Link is similar to shounen protagonists (I don't see it personally since he's not a brash, obnoxious, and loud-mouthed teen but whatever), but it doesn't make him not a character.
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mp443556
2 years ago#185
A careful reading of the definition you posted would suggest that it refers to 'an' icon not specifically one "of the player". It needs merely represent a particular person (the player) in the game which Link does.
We could, of course, add whatever specifications we want to the definition of avatar as its not set in stone, but until we do that it would still include Link (and Mario too).
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User Info: Jakerific44

Jakerific44
2 years ago#187
mp443556 posted...
A careful reading of the definition you posted would suggest that it refers to 'an' icon not specifically one "of the player". It needs merely represent a particular person (the player) in the game which Link does.
We could, of course, add whatever specifications we want to the definition of avatar as its not set in stone, but until we do that it would still include Link (and Mario too).


"an icon or figure representing a particular person in computer games, Internet forums, etc."

I argued that Link represents his character and the player only plays as him because it is a video game. Link does not represent the player, the player is only playing as his character.
I think that it fits the definition.
The 'particular person' refers to player, I would assume.
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User Info: hop918

hop918
2 years ago#188
Jakerific44 posted...
but it doesn't make him not a character.


I never said that, I said the only similarities you can put between his selves are generic hero qualities. If you can name me one personality trait that is similar between Links that isn't involved in the generic hero we've got some headway. But based on what you listed earlier Link doesn't have that.


(I don't see it personally since he's not a brash, obnoxious, and loud-mouthed teen but whatever


I was only using what you listed earlier as my basis, and based off of that I can think of at least a dozen different characters that share those same traits. I wasn't saying he's fully similar to Shonen characters, my bad if it came off that way.

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ZeroX91
2 years ago#189
Jakerific44 posted...
ZeroX91 posted...
^That would rule out a hetero female link in pretty much every zelda wouldn't it? Doesn't seen very blank sleighty.


What would? I'm confused at what you meant to be responding to.


"I've never played Spirit Tracks, but thank you for bringing that up.
Avatars do not have set relationships that the player cannot control. Characters, on the other hand, do."

Internet kinda s*** the bed at the same time I posted so yea weird delay.
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Jakerific44
2 years ago#190
ZeroX91 posted...
Jakerific44 posted...
ZeroX91 posted...
^That would rule out a hetero female link in pretty much every zelda wouldn't it? Doesn't seen very blank sleighty.


What would? I'm confused at what you meant to be responding to.


"I've never played Spirit Tracks, but thank you for bringing that up.
Avatars do not have set relationships that the player cannot control. Characters, on the other hand, do."

Internet kinda s*** the bed at the same time I posted so yea weird delay.


I deleted my post too, I understand haha
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