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xenosaga123
1 month ago#21
HolyAjora posted...

Sarah remains the lead in her quest from start to finish. The only time you lose her is just before the final boss. Or wait, maybe what you mean is her quest becomes less about "her" and more about her trying to say "Young Boy". Where as in the other quests, they all become about trying to save Sarah near the end.

Quick side note, Sarah can actually fight the final boss by herself, but only if she has no other party members. If one other member is in her party, said member will fight the final boss alone. Which is amusing and interesting, but yeah I prefer a party of five for the final boss.


but what is the time, what is inbetween Sara being the protagonist, and Sara out of the picture? a couple of steps? an entire dungeon? multiple quests before she takes back control?

it's still irksome, though, I think there must of been some conflicts of interest among the dev team. cause they didn't do that with the other characters. Guess someone among the devs had a bit of a problem with the most feminine protagonist being a lead.

or maybe Shonen is an insider parody towards the friction between shonen and shoujo manga, and the conflict between the clash of cultures and gender roles, that debate on whether a girl that's quiet, shy and without a shred of masculinity should hold a lead role in a journey that involves a lot of fighting, which stereotypically in Japan, a place where sexism is rampant and ingrained in their very language, it is often expected for a male hero to be who a story would focus on, than a female one.

So Shonen interrupting Sara's playthrough for a while, before Sara takes back her protagonist torch, could be a symbolic poke at those subjects and ongoing battle of the sexes for the lead role spot in stories and games.

and SaGa series, which aims to do things differently from Final Fantasy and other conventional RPG series, might have just done it on a whim.

or perhaps they simply wanted a 9th protagonist, but the only way they could have both destined children to be playable protagonists, is to temporarily squeeze one into that role, before Sara is protagonist again.

thats some ways to interpret this rare design decision, well I mean, protagonists being swapped out for other characters happens even in the likes of Chrono Trigger, FFVI, FFVII, etc. but for something like Romancing SaGa 1 and 3, it is quite unconventional and bothersome, due to this kinda formula provides 8 protagonists to choose from the start, so the expectation of being able to dedicate to a favorite character of one's choosing, without other characters interfering with that, it can sure be seen as a con to players that expect to play as Sara the whole way through.

thats one of the reasons why RS2 is not as well liked by RS1 purists, because RS2 is not a dedicated protagonist rpg, but rather generational and heir based, which has its diverse and fascinating possibilities, but cannot provide what RS1 formula provides in terms of dedicated roleplaying as a character of the player's choice, out of 4 male and 4 female protagonists to choose from.

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HolyAjora
1 month ago#22
xenosaga123 posted...
but what is the time, what is inbetween Sara being the protagonist, and Sara out of the picture? a couple of steps? an entire dungeon? multiple quests before she takes back control?


Sara is the protagonist of her story from start to finish. Young Boy does become a focus of the story in basically the same way a "Princess needing to be rescued" becomes the focus. Yes, for one single battle you can't use Sara, but that's it. One single battle.

If that one battle not being playable by her stops her from being the protagonist then it stops Young Boy as well. Since you can't even use Young Boy in Sara's quest after the 4th gate. If anyone becomes protagonist at that point it would be the "friends" that traveled with Sarah.

You pretty much spend 99% of Sara's quest being able to use Sara in combat. Which at the very least is far higher than in any other quest. That being said, you can still use Sara for I'd say about 80% or so of every scenario anyway.

It should be noted that for every other scenario, Young Boy will end up taking a slot before the final dungeon. Meaning that if you had a "sixth" member other than Sara, you'd lose that member anyway. They would at best be around for maybe a few more dungeons than her.

Young Boy never becomes the protagonist in any scenario. Not even Sara. He's important to the story. He shares "Main Character" status with Sarah due to the the whole "Destined Child" thing, but he's never the protagonist.

For the record, the reason Sara is not supposed to be playable during the final boss fight has to do with consistency. If she was meant to fight the boss then it would contradict the scene set up in every other scenario. In fact, you can only fight the final boss with her if you play solo.

If Sara enters the final battle with even just one other party member then that single party member fights by themself. I suspect they only made Sara solo possible to avoid any potential game breaking glitches that could have occurred.
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xenosaga123
1 month ago#23
HolyAjora posted...
xenosaga123 posted...
but what is the time, what is inbetween Sara being the protagonist, and Sara out of the picture? a couple of steps? an entire dungeon? multiple quests before she takes back control?


Sara is the protagonist of her story from start to finish. Young Boy does become a focus of the story in basically the same way a "Princess needing to be rescued" becomes the focus. Yes, for one single battle you can't use Sara, but that's it. One single battle.

If that one battle not being playable by her stops her from being the protagonist then it stops Young Boy as well. Since you can't even use Young Boy in Sara's quest after the 4th gate. If anyone becomes protagonist at that point it would be the "friends" that traveled with Sarah.

You pretty much spend 99% of Sara's quest being able to use Sara in combat. Which at the very least is far higher than in any other quest. That being said, you can still use Sara for I'd say about 80% or so of every scenario anyway.

It should be noted that for every other scenario, Young Boy will end up taking a slot before the final dungeon. Meaning that if you had a "sixth" member other than Sara, you'd lose that member anyway. They would at best be around for maybe a few more dungeons than her.

Young Boy never becomes the protagonist in any scenario. Not even Sara. He's important to the story. He shares "Main Character" status with Sarah due to the the whole "Destined Child" thing, but he's never the protagonist.

For the record, the reason Sara is not supposed to be playable during the final boss fight has to do with consistency. If she was meant to fight the boss then it would contradict the scene set up in every other scenario. In fact, you can only fight the final boss with her if you play solo.

If Sara enters the final battle with even just one other party member then that single party member fights by themself. I suspect they only made Sara solo possible to avoid any potential game breaking glitches that could have occurred.


thanks! wow only one battle! that is fast. so like after the 4th gate, Sara is captured, then a battle happens right there, then Shonen takes the lead, then after battle, Sara takes the lead? whew that doesn't sound too bad.

also has anyone ever defeated the final boss solo as Sara?

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HolyAjora
1 month ago#24
xenosaga123 posted...
thanks! wow only one battle! that is fast. so like after the 4th gate, Sara is captured, then a battle happens right there, then Shonen takes the lead, then after battle, Sara takes the lead? whew that doesn't sound too bad.

also has anyone ever defeated the final boss solo as Sara?


For clarification. It's Shonen that gets captured at the 4th gate in Sara's quest. As for the battle where you lose the ability to use Sara? That's literally the final battle of the game.

Yes, it's possible to use Sara in the final battle if you solo. However it's obvious the only reason that's possible is either an oversight or they just didn't want the game to crash trying to find a none-existent party member.

At its heart, Sara's scenario is an example of how some protagonists can force a "scene" to be altered due to their unique view point. Ie in every other quest, there's no issue with Sara being captured at the 4th Gate.

However in Sara's quest that would be an issue so they have Shonen captured instead. So you still have a reason to do the end game stuff, but can keep using Sara up up until the last second (ignoring the whole solo thing).
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xenosaga123
4 weeks ago#25
HolyAjora posted...
. It's Shonen that gets captured at the 4th gate in Sara's quest. As for the battle where you lose the ability to use Sara? That's literally the final battle of the game.
Yes, it's possible to use Sara in the final battle if you solo. However it's obvious the only reason that's possible is either an oversight or they just didn't want the game to crash trying to find a none-existent party member.
At its heart, Sara's scenario is an example of how some protagonists can force a "scene" to be altered due to their unique view point. Ie in every other quest, there's no issue with Sara being captured at the 4th Gate.However in Sara's quest that would be an issue so they have Shonen captured instead. So you still have a reason to do the end game stuff, but can keep using Sara up up until the last second (ignoring the whole solo thing).


that's confusing

I read that Sara is the one that, no matter whether Shonen was in the party or not, gets in the way and gets herself captured instead. so guess Sara gets captured, Shonen fights a battle, then Shonen gets captured and Sara is saved and becomes the protagonist again until the final battle?

also it is upsetting
>that Sara can't fight the final boss unless she's the only one in the party. well at least there is a 'way', but haven't heard of someone defeating the final boss solo as Sara, but I guess there could be some OP methods since generally most rpgs have a broken method to solo a final boss.

also what about commander mode

I read if there are other party members, Sara becomes the commander of the party for the final battle. Romancing SaGa 3 is weird in that the commander doesn't fit, but at the beginning of the battle, you see them, but then they hop offscreen, and not sure how different the whole battle system is different in that mode

but yea anyways it is messed up cause
the whole Shonen thing, even just for one battle, abruptly interrupts the consistency of Sara's role as the protagonist, and just because they are a destined child, doesn't mean the lore had to be written in such a way where they have to take that protagonist away from the player.

and then the whole final battle thing, is like it forces standard final battle play, to leave Sara out of the action. that is wrong on so many levels.

that's like a Fire Emblem protagonist that is fated to be some destined individual, as to sit out of the final battle because of this or that.

its contrived lore nonsense interfering with the cohesive expectations of a player playing as the protagonist they chose to play as in the first place, especially by Romancing SaGa standards.

they could have easily written it where the antagonists or whatever, could just take some 'essence' or sample of the protagonist's spirit to awaken or manifest the final boss, and not needing to kidnap the protagonist to setup a final boss in the first place.

its definitely gonna upset players and has definitely upset players that played RS3 and expected Sara to be the lead the whole way through and in the front lines for the final boss. so yea, from various viewpoints, Sara's scenario is not ideal to most Sara fans, none of the other characters have to deal with these unpleasant lore + gameplay twists. so yea would say that most people would see it as betrayal of expectations. yea even if Sara gets a decent ending afterwards, that last quarter of the game still would be perceived as awkward and upsetting to Sara fans that feel she deserved a consistent and proper protagonist playthrough like the others. I mean even Tina Branford in FFVI, who had it worse, absent at times and having to take turns with other main characters throughout the story, could still fight the final boss WITH a party alongside her.
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xenosaga123
4 weeks ago#26
thats why if someone where to ask me which female protagonist they should choose to play as in RS3, if they want 100% consistent and fulfilling adventures as the protagonist of their choosing , I would recommend Monica, Katrina or Ellen.

Sara scenario would likely upset some of them how things turn out, and the whole commander mode in the final boss really would make some question whats the point of leveling Sara at all, and would think better off choosing to be a commander in all battles as soon as they are able.


Also the commander mode in RS3 is super weird. I dunno why they didnt go for just a pure RS1 style 6 member party in battles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAt_MzherPU

RS3 has up to 6 members in the camp menu, but one of them would have to be the commander if the player chooses to have one of the six members do something besides warm a bench.

this irks me in Imperial Saga too. it supports 6 characters, but one of them has to be a commander of sorts that doesn't fight.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/588634-romancing-saga-3/43833706?page=1

I think its more of a gimmick and excuse to gate multi techs behind a commander mode, instead of just providing multi techs through special 6 member formations where the 6th can also participate in the fighting and those specific 6 member formations can unlock multi techs for use. they dont need to gimp the Romancing SaGa battle population cap just to offer powerful multi techs. parties can be plenty OP even without multitechs, so think reducing the party from 6 to 5 is backwards (RS2 also has a 5 cap for active party members in battle, so RS3 is between RS1 and RS2 in battle party standards, with classic Romancing SaGa 1 having the greatest format)
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killerb255
4 weeks ago#27
Let's see if this clarifies things:

All quests except for Sara:



I. After the intro, but before the fourth gate boss is defeated:

1) Sara is recruitable (optional).

2) Shonen is NOT recruitable. He will say "Leave me alone!"

II. When the fourth gate boss is defeated:

1) Sara goes into the Abyss, regardless of whether she was in your party or not. If she was in your party, then she is removed from it. She is no longer playable from this point on.

2) If there is an available spot in your party, Shonen will automatically be forced into it. This can occur by:

a) Having Sara in your party during the fourth gate boss and losing her as a result, and/or
b) Fighting the fourth gate boss without a full six character party.

If there is NO available spot (i.e.: you had a full party of six and Sara was not part of it), then Shonen won't join you at this time.

3) Main Character wants to go into the Abyss to rescue Sara.

III. After Sara's departure, but before choosing to attack Huang City

You have the option of recruiting Shonen from a random pub.

IV. About a few screens before the Abyss Naga fight in Huang City

If Shonen is already in your party (either through part II with a short-handed party, part II with Sara's departure freeing up a spot, or part III above), then nothing happens other than the Emperor talking about wanting to kidnap the chosen child.

If Shonen is NOT in your party, then he will be forced into it at this time. If you have six party members, you will be forced to dismiss one of them at this time.

V. The Final Battle

Shonen will be removed from your party forcing you to fight the final boss with one fewer member than you had. You will get an option to prep first.

In other words, neither Sara nor Shonen can be used to fight the final boss.
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killerb255
4 weeks ago#28
Sara's quest:



I. After the intro, but before the fourth gate boss is defeated:

Shonen is recruitable (completely optional).

II. When the fourth gate boss is defeated:

1) Shonen goes into the Abyss, regardless of whether he was in your party or not. If he was in your party, then he is removed from it. He is no longer playable from this point on.

2) Sara wants to go into the Abyss to rescue Shonen.

III. A few screens before the Abyss Naga fight in Huang City

Nothing happens other than the Emperor talking about wanting to kidnap the chosen child.

IV. The Final Battle

Sara will be removed from your party forcing you to fight the final boss in a special Commander Mode with your remaining party members. Unlike the non-Sara playthroughs, you will NOT be given the option to prep first!!!

If you got to that point solo, then Sara will actually fight the final boss (good luck with that one, yikes!). That aside, there's no other way to fight the final boss with Sara. No way to fight it with Shonen either regardless.

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xenosaga123
4 weeks ago#29
alright thanks that details things.

though technically, Sara does participate during final boss because commander mode + lead character = the player as the lead character is the commander of the party? their character is just out of view in the back line, but is still the commander of the party, which makes even more sense why the player, as the lead, is able to command/tell the other party members what to do.

though yea I can understand. apparently that protagonist was designed well their scenario sounds to be designed after the other characters, because in order to make Sara's role and scenario work out, it can't contradict the other stories too much, and they didn't want to make Sara's scenario too different from the other scenarios, so what happens to her is somewhat the same.

or maybe they designed Sara's scenario first, so they can use the other protagonists scenarios to tweak and adapt each protagonist's scenario into one game and keep things as simple as possible.


well yea anyways, still feel characters like Monica and Ellen got the better deal with their own scenarios.

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xenosaga123
4 weeks ago#30
if I do 3 scenarios in the remaster, I'll choose to play as Monica, Sara and Ellen in that sequence.
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