So, Re-Faze actually can be beaten in the vanilla game. Hypothetically, anyway.

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etony33
7 months ago#31
Well, I stand corrected. Wow. I changed his F2 resistance from 02 to 0A. A physical attack before Cancelling did 13, and afterwards, it did 999. I don't have time to test it more right this minute, but I can mess with it later.

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etony33
7 months ago#32
It would seemingly only impact the Plasma Field and Psy equipment. In fact, it could actually hurt PD if Seth or Hahn has a knife and a Psy Shield equipped, because the game reads that as a Factor 11 attack for some reason, and PD is immune to F11.

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FreshFeeling
7 months ago#33
^
Except that your highest attack factor is what counts... like using a Crmcshield and a Claw against a Zol Slug or something, the Crmcshield is the part that matters.
This will be much easier to test by watching character's in-battle elemental values in memory but I don't expect to be able focus do this for a good while.
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etony33
7 months ago#34
Hmm...so equipping a Saber Claw and Ceramic Shield would do normal damage to an enemy who resists F3, but extra damage to an enemy who is weak to it?

I was under the impression that the Ceramic Shield, Psy Shield, and Plasma Field changed the elemental factor of the weapon, whether it was beneficial or harmful.

There's a lot I still have to learn, and it's really cool that we are still learning things about a game that is almost 25 years old.

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Elrick75
7 months ago#35
It's funny that there are still unanswered questions about this game 24 years after it came out.
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etony33
7 months ago#36
There are actually quite a few unanswered questions, most notably encounter data/item drops.

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etony33
7 months ago#37
Now I have to do a bunch of math to figure out whether the Reflect Shield is better for Seth solo than the Plasma Field (or, possibly a third option, one of each and just using the Mahlay Dagger Nafoi to deal damage.

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etony33
7 months ago#38
I don't need to continue doing math. The Plasma Field is still the superior choice by far. Even if it doesn't protect against Factor 2 after Cancelling, it still protects against Ray Breath and PD2's physical attack (plus any attacks from PD3 prior to the Cancelling). Reflect Shield gives +1 DEF and +5 MDEF over the Plasma Field, which isn't significant enough to justify using it.

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Blast-Beat-Pete
7 months ago#39
etony33 posted...
Hmm...so equipping a Saber Claw and Ceramic Shield would do normal damage to an enemy who resists F3, but extra damage to an enemy who is weak to it?

I was under the impression that the Ceramic Shield, Psy Shield, and Plasma Field changed the elemental factor of the weapon, whether it was beneficial or harmful.

There's a lot I still have to learn, and it's really cool that we are still learning things about a game that is almost 25 years old.


etony33 posted...
I don't need to continue doing math. The Plasma Field is still the superior choice by far. Even if it doesn't protect against Factor 2 after Cancelling, it still protects against Ray Breath and PD2's physical attack (plus any attacks from PD3 prior to the Cancelling). Reflect Shield gives +1 DEF and +5 MDEF over the Plasma Field, which isn't significant enough to justify using it.


Yeah, it is always beneficial only, when you have 2 different attack types (from shield/dagger/slasher/claw) the more efficient is used. But the crmc-shield is the only shield where it is of notable relevance, as the most combinations with the plasma-field include weapons with F1 (moonslasher/mahlay-dagger) and no enemy is weaker to F1 than F2. And the flyscreamer enemy is the only one where the F11 of the py-shield will be used.

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etony33
7 months ago#40
The only time I can think of off the top of my head where the Plasma Field would modify the damage of a weapon would be if Rika had a Thunderclaw equipped and attacked, say, a Dimension Worm (or similar enemies that resist F7, but not F2).

That would almost never happen, though.
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