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so, i've been thinking about "emo" music recently, which brings me to an important album I feel would be highly worth a listen to anybody who takes rock music seriously on a deep level.
That is Diary by the band sunny day real estate.
I've always felt it was cool that a band formed in seattle, washington in the early 1990s didnt become a grunge band. Of course seattle doesnt just produce grunge bands but it feels like its from the same era sorta. Two of its members went on to appear in the Foo Fighters at the request of dave grohl himself in the first incarnation. Nate Mendel is still with the Foos however William Goldsmith, the drummer didnt even last one album. Dave Grohl, according to Goldsmith, had him perform 96 drum takes of one song. Ouch!
That is criminal because half the reason you listen to this album is the drumming. Songs like "seven" have neat drums. Goldsmith is a very competent drummer, he knows how to play exciting, lively drums yet also keeping a tight rhythm slowing it down. The entire band works as a cohesive unit to s*** out an album that sounds very well produced with some decently technical instrumentation. I feel like grunge fans could like this but i dont know i never really took a deep listen into the grunge genre.
on diary, sunny day real estate manage to alternate between fast and frantic to slow and heartfelt. There is a nice interplay of the styles here, as it is one of the hallmarks of emo music from the 1990s. Fast and slow, or sometimes, my favorite, one tempo then with about 30 seconds to a minute left it kicks it up a notch and the increased speed and volume drive it home. Though this album is slow than most, songs like "seven" and "shadows" kick up the pace.
This is an album that will make you happy because of the awesome musicianship but sad because of the vocals and lyrics. I mean, just off the top of my head one lyrics goes "You're married to your pain"
hey, check it out!
Reminds me of the Smashing Pumpkins lyric that went "I'm in love with my sadness." I've always known about that band but couldn't name a single song. I listened to a bit of Diary and, maybe I'm off base here, but it kind of reminded me of a Scottish band I used to listen to called Aereogramme. I'm not hating it so far.
ill add aerogramme to my list of things ill at some point listen to.
song of the day: "searching for a former clarity" by against me. 2005
Inspired by sunny day real estate, this song is sad. I remember this album well. Against me started out as a guy playing acoustic songs in his bedroom, to then having a band, than having a band get noticed and popular. A lot of older fans don't care for this album and beyond, at least i imagine because I remember a lot of fans of the band giving this album disdain, some going so far as to even take the song title "even at our worst, we're still better than most" literally which, is a joke, but also it's true imo anyways. But the sound was different from their last few albums in some ways. I entered around this time, so i wasnt an original fan so nothing was being "ruined" for me, or anything. Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I do recall on the music: punk board here this album was getting hated and especially the music video for "dont lose touch" since it premiered on MTV.
anyways, i really like this song. its a pretty bare bones song with sparse instrumentation, an sounds almost haunting. I especially like the lyric "and you beared witness to mortality in exchange for the ticket price" which yes, I would. Like I don't want anybody to die, but it would be a hell of a story though....or maybe a show billed "against me and then im going to kill myself at the end" uhh i dont know....
I'm going to add another theme idea for this topic. Today I will be talking about my favorite album of all time. I suggest you do the same! You dont have to get as in depth as me, but f***in talk about it. I'll listen, at least.
My album without a doubt is Zen Arcade by Husker Du. 1984 on SST records.
At some point before this album, guitarist and co-singer/songwriter Bob Mould told a music journalist they were going to do something different beyond just making a record and touring. They made a record and toured, but the sheer weight of this album is massive. Husker Du is, by Dave Grohl's own admission, the biggest reason Nirvana even existed in the first place. Husker Du was the biggest band, just about, that came up before grunge existed that was instrumental in its formation. This album in a way I wouldn't even call a stretch is directly responsible for changing music history.
This album contains 23 tracks over roughly 75 minutes. Some have said this is a true punk headphone album(guy from therapy?), and it really is. It does sound good in that sense. It also tells a loosely connected story. It also contains several genres of music(at a bare minimum - psychedelic, hardcore, acoustic, "free jazz?" Piano interludes, stuff like that.) Its a massive listen on every scale.
The story, as far as I can tell, has always been told as a boy who is not content with his home life, so he runs away, only to realize the real world is even worse, so he returns home, singing the song of
"whatever you what, whatever you do, where ever you go, whatever you say"
Then there is a story by Bob Mould himself, who I would consider to be an authority on the topic of albums he's made, which is way cooler
"According to Mould, Zen Arcade is about a young computer hack from a broken home who dreams about killing himself after his girlfriend dies of a drug overdose. Instead, he lands in a mental hospital where he meets the head of a computer company who hires him to design video games. “Then he wakes up and goes to school,” Mould said. “The only thing we never agreed on was the name of the video game. We thought it was Search.”
So, like, the story isn't 100% coherent, but there is yet another level to this album.
So, who are Husker Du? Theyre a punk band from Minnesota. To this point theyve made pretty decent hardcore with the occasional flair for something dramatic. They were heavily inspired by earlier pop music, such as the beatles(covered ticket to ride ), the byrds(covered 8 miles high) and the mary tyler moore theme song, as it was set in Mn. They like it hard and fast, but sometimes soft. This kinda made them a small influence on the later emotional hardcore and emo genres. What made this album as unusual as it is? Probably meth and or other drugs. This was recorded and edited in one massive 80 hour session for only a few thousand dollars, because they werent rich. Every song on the album is a first take recording but two. That is some meth s*** right there.
The album is hard when it wants to be, soft when it wants to be, and weird when it wants to be. It starts off with 4 songs I consider to be the best opening tracks in music history because they all sound good but that also tell ac story. It begins with the fast and catchy "Something I Learned Today" that is followed by "Broken Home, Broken Heart" which I sets the tone for the album: somebody is deeply hurt. This theme is followed up throughout the album. Next is "Never Talking to You Again" which is an acoustic track that sounds raw and stripped and again, he's hurt. Next is "Chartered Trips" which is a catchy and solid listen that furthers the arc. So right off the bat we have-
1. found out something bad about you.
2. been hurt.
3. vowed to never speak to you again.
4. has begun the process of leaving.
5. 30 minutes to remove his cube.
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Interspersed between the songs are psychedelic and piano interludes to set the mood. When listened to as a whole album these are enjoyable. the song "hare krishna" is super weird, and it steals the beat from the song "I want candy". Up next is a solid collection of some of the most brutal hardcore up to this point; still ravages today. If you have like, problems, listen to "pride", "I'll never forget you", and "the biggest lie".
After that you have a collection of slower, weirder tunes that I think we get into the s*** that inspired the grunge genre or at least a bit of 1990s music. The most obvious example is the opening to "whats going on" and "1979" by the smashing pumpkins. These tracks are introspective and searching.
Then, you get into the final section of the record. Song 17, "Pink Turns to Blue" written, sung and drummed on by Grant Hart, is an eerie look into the protagonists relationship with a drug user who's lips have turned from pink to blue. reminds me of what that bastard Walter White did to Jessie, even if its not the exact same scenario. Next is "Newest Industry", which is a part of a series of Husker songs aptly titled by me as "1984" with another prominent example being "Divide and Conquer" after a song on the later Flip Your Wig. This song is a look into a post apocalyptic wasteland of the United States after constant war destroyed us all and used up all the resources. After all of this the author can only say "I'll sit around, smoke cigarettes and I'll babble, "what the f***?" Next is the piano interlude "Monday Will Never be the Same" which transitions nicely into the epic "Whatever" which is a massive song because its deep, hard hitting stuff that really makes you think about how you look at others and yourself, which you didn't get much of out of this genre until a little later. This is the song where it seems that the narrator has decided to go home, pledging to his parents he'll do whatever they want. Despite the use of the word "whatever" the words in this song carry a lot of gravity. "mom and dad i'm sorry. mom and dad, don't worry. i'm not the son you wanted, but what could you expect? i made my world of happiness to combat your neglect" that's some deep s***. "The Toothfairy and the Princess" brings back some more trippy aspects, as we move to "Turn on the News". This is a very nice rock track, Grant Hart, or somebody also knows how to do the Spongebob laugh (source: 29 seconds) which ive always felt comical. This track shows that while Bob Mould wrote and sung most of the tracks, he clearly had some talent. He also recorded drums and vocals at the same time if I am not mistaken making it even more awesome.
Then, we get to track 23, "Reocurring Dreams", which is the end. Everything up 'til now has been flat out pedestrian. The end of the loosely based narrative arc is
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I don't really know what else I can say, this album is just a wild and crazy listen from start to finish with an anvil's worth of emotion with weird stuff filling in the gaps. I hated this album when I first heard it because I did not understand it, but after revisiting it and taking time to listen it struck me. this began my transition to when I began to take music seriously in my earlier years.
Here's a couple random selections I like from the 90s.... I was just feeling 90s. Not really hardcore though, I guess.
Satanic Surfers - Worn out Words
Dillinger Four - Open and Shut
Jawbreaker - Jinx Removing
Face To Face - Disconnected
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Took 17 posts but here we are.
My roguelike, Equin: The Lantern!
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