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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/06/04/616724965/giuliani-president-trump-has-constitutional-authority-to-pardon-himself

Updated 9:57 a.m. ET
President Trump has the "absolute" power to pardon himself, he argued on Monday morning, then asked rhetorically why he would use it because he hasn't done anything wrong.
Trump made his assertion in a Twitter post following a weekend in which his administration made a sweeping case about executive power.

Just because Trump has the relevant powers doesn't mean he will use them, supporters said.
Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, said in an interview on Sunday with ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos that Trump had "no intention" of a self-pardon and in a separate interview, on NBC's Meet the Press, he said that any such move would be "unthinkable" and might lead to impeachment.

"He has no intention of pardoning himself, but he probably — not to say he can't," Giuliani said. "I think the political ramifications would be tough. Pardoning other people is one thing, pardoning yourself is tough."

On NBC, the former mayor of New York said, "Pardoning himself would be unthinkable and probably lead to immediate impeachment."

However: "He has no need to do it. He's done nothing wrong," Giuliani added.
Giuliani's remarks followed reports that the president's legal team sent a letter to Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller in late January outlining a legal justification that as president, Trump cannot be held accountable for obstruction of justice and should not be interviewed by investigators.
Trump's attorneys argue that as chief of the executive branch, he has near-complete power over appointees. That means that he could, for example, fire FBI Director James Comey for any reason and the dismissal could not constitute obstruction, they argue, or he could instruct that any investigation be ended for any reason.
Giuliani, speaking on NBC, also said that it was "pretty clear" that the president has the Constitutional authority to shut down any investigation, but added that terminating a probe where the president is the target might lead to impeachment.
Trump said on Twitter on Monday that Mueller's appointment was "unconstitutional" but that he would "play the game" because he had nothing to hide.

The appointment of the Special Councel is totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Despite that, we play the game because I, unlike the Democrats, have done nothing wrong!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 4, 2018
On ABC, Giuliani also said that the president's recollections about a statement he made about a June 9, 2016 meeting between top Trump campaign aides and a delegation of Russians offering to provide "dirt" on rival Hillary Clinton "keep changing."

"This is the reason you don't let this president testify in the special counsel's Russia investigation," Giuliani told Stephanopoulos. "Our recollection keeps changing, or we're not even asked a question and somebody makes an assumption."

"If I say something wrong on this show... if you were the FBI, my goodness, I'd — they could prosecute me for the mistake. They'd say, 'of course it was a lie,'" he said.
Although Giuliani said a decision about whether the president will voluntarily sit for an interview with Mueller's team would not be made until after a planned June 12 summit in Singapore between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, he said "we're leaning toward not" doing it.
"But look, if they can convince us that it will be brief, it would be to the point, there were five or six points they have to clarify, and with that, we can get this - this long nightmare for the - for the American public over," Giuliani told ABC.
Trump cited "numerous legal scholars" in claiming the power to pardon himself, but there does not appear to be consensus on that point. No president has ever attempted it. No court has ever tested it.
One historical view is that a president may have the power, but that it wouldn't grant him or her immunity from prosecution after leaving the presidency. In a legal opinion issued during the administration of President Richard Nixon, the Justice Department argued a president could not give himself a pardon because of the longstanding legal principle that no person could be the judge of his own case.
Trump has begun a practice of pardoning others: Last week he pardoned conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza; before that, former Vice President Dick Cheney's adviser Scooter Libby, Maricopa County, Aiz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio and others.
Trump also has granted a posthumous pardon to boxing great Jack Johnson, which clemency supporters have said could encourage more prisoners or people who have been convicted to try to get their cases onto his desk.
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User Info: knivesX2004

knivesX2004
1 month ago#24
Jesus f***ing christ, what a morning.
Trump says he's innocent but when he's found guilty he'll pardon himself.
Also he still can't spell counsel right lol.

Oh also, this obviously signals somebody flipped. Plz be Melania, plz plz plz.

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Doctor Foxx
1 month ago#25
knivesX2004 posted...
Jesus f***ing christ, what a morning.
Trump says he's innocent but when he's found guilty he'll pardon himself.
Also he still can't spell counsel right lol.

Oh also, this obviously signals somebody flipped. Plz be Melania, plz plz plz.

I hadn't even thought of that but omg

What if it's the useless son in law
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PuddingBoy
1 month ago#26
Hoping for Melania because she’s been missing for like 3 weeks and when people started questioning it a tweet came out from her Twitter account using the basic format of a trump tweet
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Doctor Foxx
1 month ago#27
He may just be trying to set goals up to pardon Jr. If he can pardon himself surely he can pardon the beneficiaries of nepotism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/06/04/secret-memo-to-mueller-actually-reveals-weakness-of-trumps-position/
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Doctor Foxx
1 month ago#28
https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-shoot-comey_us_5b145897e4b02143b7cd633e

“In no case can he be subpoenaed or indicted,” Rudy Giuliani told HuffPost Sunday, claiming a president’s constitutional powers are that broad. “I don’t know how you can indict while he’s in office. No matter what it is.”

Giuliani said impeachment was the initial remedy for a president’s illegal behavior ― even in the extreme hypothetical case of Trump having shot former FBI Director James Comey to end the Russia investigation rather than just firing him.

“If he shot James Comey, he’d be impeached the next day,” Giuliani said. “Impeach him, and then you can do whatever you want to do to him.”

Norm Eisen, the White House ethics lawyer under President Barack Obama and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said the silliness of Giuliani’s claim illustrates how mistaken Trump’s lawyers are about presidential power.

“A president could not be prosecuted for murder? Really?” he said. “It is one of many absurd positions that follow from their argument. It is self-evidently wrong.”


Giuliani seems like a great attorney

Also does this mean Donald Trump killed Melania and is setting things up to get away with murder? 🤔 Probably not. Just what a lawyer
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Phantom_Nook
1 month ago#29
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1003802218200535040
Manafort attempted to tamper with potential witnesses: U.S. special counsel
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ClarkDuke
1 month ago#30
http://reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8ohesf/donald_trump_claims_he_has_absolute_right_to/e03enzv
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