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User Info: shadowsword87

shadowsword87
1 month ago#361
ParanoidObsessive posted...
To be fair, there are quite a few games like that online. The problem is that most people still don't RP anyway.


I mean, a game with multiplayer where you're not intimately aware that it's a videogame is at least a step up.
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User Info: Zeus

Zeus
1 month ago#362
ParanoidObsessive posted...
But realistically, games aren't art (f*** all y'all, Ebert was right). Games are entertainment. And a game you loathe every second of is basically anti-entertainment - it's failed so hard at being what it's supposed to be, it's come out the opposite side into negative values.


...art is entertainment. And Ebert was a stodgy product of his times who, if he was born in an earlier age, would have argued that movies aren't art. Granted, critics in general are cultural bulwarks opposing emerging media, etc.
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User Info: Entity13

Entity13
1 month ago#363
Video games are a medium that is capable of being art. PUBG isn't art but, rather, a case study of frat boys getting it on with one another. Mario Sunshine is fridge art that a loving "fan" might display for a day or three before it mysteriously ends up in the trash. "LoZ: Majora's Mask" or "NieR:Automata" are higher art for the medium.

Likewise, "The Room" might also be fridge art by some while we can all think of so many films that can never be considered as art on any day of the week, such as "Jurassic Park 3."

This same argument can, of course, be applied to other mediums, such as music.
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User Info: Zeus

Zeus
1 month ago#364
Entity13 posted...
Likewise, "The Room" might also be fridge art by some while we can all think of so many films that can never be considered as art on any day of the week, such as "Jurassic Park 3."


Eh, that's not really a matter of art vs not art so much as it is good art vs bad art (or bad art vs mediocre, commercial art). But yes, society tends to use "art" as an indication of quality and the dismissal of video games as a medium is kind of a backhanded way of dismissing games as having any merit.
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I_Abibde posted...
People really do have a love-or-hate relationship with Final Fantasy VIII, even almost twenty years later, it seems. I'm on the love side; it's still one of my favorite games in the series.

I loathe it like I loathe no other game in the history of video games.

The only other game to ever engender such a seething hatred within me was Morrowind, which was mostly prompted by its s***tastic controller scheme - but which never really carved as deep a furrow into my soul because I sold it back to GameStop like less than a week after I bought it (for a single dollar, and I still felt like I got the better of the deal).

The only reason I kept and continued playing (and ultimately finished) FFVIII was more because I already had years/multiple games worth of nostalgia and good feelings built up from the earlier history of the franchise. Yet even then I sort of had to resist the urge to fling the disc full-force at the wall after I finished playing. And the act of forcing myself to play it in spite of hating pretty much every single thing about it just made my hate for it worse.

I'd be hard-pressed to name a single aspect of the game that I like at all.

(Actually, I DO sort of like Quistis, except her role in the story and her pining after Squall sort of ruins any potential she has, so she winds up being a zero-sum character as well.)

And my girlfriend used to self-identify herself as Selphie, but that's less because she likes the character (she's never played the game) as much as because she used to have a similar sort of hyperactive personality, and because she has a huge crush on Irvine as a concept (again, she's never played the game, so he's more "archetypal cowboy + anime" to her than he is an actual character). She basically super-obsessed over the very short period of time when I played a modern-day cowboy sort of character in a Werewolf: the Apocalypse game forever and a day ago (which I ironically also hated, because I kind of hate Werewolf).



shadowsword87 posted...
I mean, a game with multiplayer where you're not intimately aware that it's a videogame is at least a step up.

The problem is, no one in the history of the human race has yet invented a video game immersive enough to prevent me from being intimately aware that it's a video game. Even at my RPiest in browser games (or actual RP), there's always the disconnect between me as the player and the medium of play.

An ARG like Majestic probably comes close, but even that still has multiple layers of reality kicking you in the face while playing.

That being said, I've never considered total immersion a prerequisite for enjoyment in any game, even RPGs (arguably especially RPGs, since I rarely "play as myself" anyway).



Zeus posted...
...art is entertainment.

Art CAN be entertainment, and entertainment can be art, but the two are not mutually linked, nor do they share the same intent or obligations.



Zeus posted...
And Ebert was a stodgy product of his times

He was also completely correct at the point in time he made the statement.

He's arguably still correct now for the vast majority of games.

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Zeus
1 month ago#366
ParanoidObsessive posted...
The only other game to ever engender such a seething hatred within me was Morrowind, which was mostly prompted by its s***tastic controller scheme - but which never really carved as deep a furrow into my soul because I sold it back to GameStop like less than a week after I bought it (for a single dollar, and I still felt like I got the better of the deal).


Huh. I tried the PC version once, but couldn't get used to playing with a mouse & keyboard. Meant to try it with a controller.

Plus it looks like s*** now.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
I'd be hard-pressed to name a single aspect of the game that I like at all.

(Actually, I DO sort of like Quistis, except her role in the story and her pining after Squall sort of ruins any potential she has, so she winds up being a zero-sum character as well.)


I liked some of the character designs, but hated the characterizations. And in general I liked the game except for the characters and story.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Werewolf: the Apocalypse game forever and a day ago (which I ironically also hated, because I kind of hate Werewolf).


Which was a franchise I liked purely for the werewolves (and I picked up some of Rage -- the CCG -- as a result).

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Art CAN be entertainment, and entertainment can be art, but the two are not mutually linked, nor do they share the same intent or obligations.


No, all art is entertainment. Unless you're arguing for some non-aesthetic purely practical form of art, which doesn't exist last I checked. Granted, entertainment can be broken into multiple categories, as can art, but it doesn't stop it from being entertainment.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
He was also completely correct at the point in time he made the statement.

He's arguably still correct now for the vast majority of games.


He's wrong on every conceivable level, and hypocritically so given his attempts to validate film. Granted, much of his complaint *could* be based on an ulterior motive since diminishes other media elevates his chosen media
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User Info: CyborgSage00x0

CyborgSage00x0
1 month ago#367
If films are art, then so are video games. Full stop, this is an objective statement, it meets all the requirements, and checks all the boxes a movie does.

That said, I don't really care to guard the hill on that statement, because I'm not sure why anyone would be upset if someone considers games a form of art of not. Just like the same people who get bent out of shape over if e-sports should be compared to real sports or not.

Video games are pretty unique in terms of if they are an art/sport/whatever, we should just leave it at that. They don't really need the approval of any other medium.
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User Info: Zeus

Zeus
1 month ago#368
Speaking of things bothering me, I've always kinda had mixed feelings that Batman is merged or contrasted vs Wolverine whenever they do a Marvel and DC thing like Amalgem.

While both Batman and Wolverine are brooding characters and they have some basic costume similarities, it always seemed like Spider-Man was the more natural choice since both heroes use pest animals as their motif, both are orphans with an elderly caregiver, both chose to take up crime-fighting specifically in relation to a criminal killing a family member, both are geniuses, both refrain from killing, etc.

Plus, when it comes to the rogues gallery, Green Goblin has a greater affinity to the Joker than Sabretooth, considering that they have laughing gimmicks, they're known for gadget use, etc. Not to mention that both characters have a cat-motif ambiguous heroine/villain in their rogues gallery who has occasionally served as a love interest.

I'll admit that there are a few knocks against Spidey, though, including the fact he can hold down stable romantic entanglements and that he's portrayed younger. And he's not a grimdark character. However, Wolverine is practically a serial killer which kinda goes against Batman's sensibilities (well, at least later Batman, brutal vigilante Batman from the early comics could be Punisher-esque at times).
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User Info: I_Abibde

I_Abibde
1 month ago#369
A mention of Amalgam Comics? Bonus points for you, Zeus. (I have 'em all. Pretty cheap to get, actually.)

I suspect that they picked Batman and Wolverine for that particular merge because they were both pretty badly oversaturated in the comics at that point in time.
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User Info: Zeus

Zeus
1 month ago#370
Well, Spidey's never been a slouch there, either. iirc he's had 4 books going at once at times in addition to doing cameos. But sure, once upon a time Wolverine was on the cover of nearly *every* Marvel comic, including some that he didn't even appear in.

And, speaking of cheap comics, I never even bothered picking up the entire run of any of the 2099 titles >_< I had a lot of Spidey 2099 from clearance bins back in the 90s, as well as a little from the other titles. My comic collection has always been relatively puny. I think I own fewer than 250 issues in all (definitely less than 400).
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