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User Info: knivesX2004

knivesX2004
2 months ago#21
I seem to be the only one on the internet who f***ing loved TLJ.

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CyborgSage00x0
2 months ago#22
knivesX2004 posted...
I seem to be the only one on the internet who f***ing loved TLJ.

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User Info: The Wave Master

The Wave Master
2 months ago#23
I don't love or hate The Last Jedi. I just have a lot of problems. As I mentioned to Bank Robber, The Last Jedi was not The Star Wars movie I wanted, expected, or needed.

Warning: major spoilers for The Last Jedi.

I guess my problem is that I don't like being preached to in a movie. It's my problem with a movie like, Million Dollar Baby. The Last Jedi spends 2 plus hours telling me that there is no hope, that heroes aren't always who you think they are, and that waiting for that hope is just dumb. (Whuch every adult knows that.) Then it pisses all over that with the ending. At least have the convictions to say, "Maybe old, crazy, hermit, Luke Skywalker is right?" Nope, he was wrong and he spent years of his life wasting away just to piss away at the end.

There were very few answers to questions like, "Who is Snoke and why does he want Rey alive? When he could have just killed her when she got to the space ship? Why was it important for her to live or Kylo to kill her? It wasn't like he was planning to lure Luke there to kill him personally.... Which was the entire point of the first movie. Instead he dies like a b**** Darth Maul style because he put his faith in The force. The same force that allowed him to connect with Rey and Kylo the entire time, and see everything. Which could have easily led them to Luke, again, the entire point of The Force Awakens.


More to come in the next post....
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The Wave Master
2 months ago#24
More The Last Jedi spoilers...

The Last Jedi did something I hate with all television shows. It's that a simple 3 minute conversation with a character would save a lot of time, death, and energy.

The first 14 minutes are an epic space battle between The First Order and the resistance. In that battle Poe Dameron destroys a dreadnaught, but loses most of his squadron. Leia rips him a new one and tells him that he's an idiot. I mean he is, but idiots are idiots and usually do something stupid, and if unchecked will do gurther stupid things. Poe does, which sends Rose and Finn on a stupid and unnecessary trip to Star Wars Monte Carlo.

Here's my problem. If Holdo tells that idiot Poe the plan when she had a chance instead of keeping him in the dark, which clearly wasn't smart or Leia's wishes, then we don't have a middle of the movie. A simple conversation and we don't have 50 minutes of a movie. Also, Poe sits around doing nothing the whole movie. He did that in the last movie too. Waste of time and an interesting character.
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There's so much more. Leia becoming Supergirl, The Force doing some crazy s***. An unearned potential love triangle. A casino that looks nothing like a casino. No great lightsaber duels. No payoff from the force awakens. So much bad. Ugh....


Anyway, those are my thoughts. What are yours?
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User Info: CyborgSage00x0

CyborgSage00x0
2 months ago#25
The Wave Master posted...
Here's my problem. If Holdo tells that idiot Poe the plan when she had a chance instead of keeping him in the dark, which clearly wasn't smart or Leia's wishes, then we don't have a middle of the movie. A simple conversation and we don't have 50 minutes of a movie. Also, Poe sits around doing nothing the whole movie. He did that in the last movie too. Waste of time and an interesting character.


Yeha, this is a shining example of bad writing and story telling, plain and simple. The movie wants you to care and respect Holdo, despite literally just being introduced, and wants you to feel emotional over her sacrifice. Meanwhile, despite Poe asking point blank what the plan was like 5 times, her refusal to do something so simple is the only reason the extremely boring Finn and Rose buddy missions exists to begin with. The kicker is when Leia tells Poe the plans, and he's like "Oh, she-was-right-all-along!". Wrong f***ing reaction. The correct one is, "Why didn't that dumb b**** just SAY SO?" It's extremely obvious that Rian didn't really have a good idea of what Leai, Poe, or Finn should do in this movie, so he contrived this entire disps*** plot point to give them something to do. It's like, really bad.

And why even have this Holdo character? Admiral Ackbar is right there. Give his a noble sacrifice death, if you really feel the need to kill him off.
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Raganork posted...
I want to write a book from the perspective of the antagonist, since I love writing villains so much

That may be difficult, since in any given story, the person it's about/from the perspective of IS the protagonist.

People confuse "protagonist" and "antagonist" as being synonyms for "good guy" and "bad guy", but they really aren't. They're more like "person the story is about" and "the person/thing opposed to/providing conflict for the person the story is about".

If you want to write a story from the perspective of a villain, then what you're writing is a villain protagonist, not an antagonist (and in a villain protagonist story, a "hero" is often the the antagonist, unless it winds up being an "evil fighting against even worse evil" sort of story).

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Zeus
2 months ago#27
ParanoidObsessive posted...
That may be difficult, since in any given story, the person it's about/from the perspective of IS the protagonist.


tbh, I nearly nitpicked that semantic myself, but I knew what he meant and thought I'd leave it be =p
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User Info: The Wave Master

The Wave Master
2 months ago#28
P.O. if you have seen The Last Jedi I would be interested to hear your opinions.

I am also interested in Hearing anyone else's thoughts on the movie too.
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Zeus posted...
tbh, I nearly nitpicked that semantic myself, but I knew what he meant and thought I'd leave it be =p

I knew what he meant, too, but I'm pedantic as f***.

I mean, let's be honest, pedagogy and pedantry is like 90% of my online personality.

The Wave Master posted...
P.O. if you have seen The Last Jedi I would be interested to hear your opinions

I haven't, and may not for a while (while I saw Rogue One in theaters, I actually waited until DVD/On Demand to watch Force Awakens last time around). Though I am sort of making at least somewhat of an effort to avoid spoilers - for example, I mostly skipped over any post in this topic so far that I saw mentioning it - so I have no idea what most of you think about it or said about it (other than Knives and Cyborg, their stances seem pretty obvious). But I'm also not super-bothered about it, so if I wind up accidentally catching some here or there I won't be overly annoyed or anything.

That being said, it might be worth noting that I'm about 97% sure that the Internet is childishly overreacting to the movie, and that most of the people whining about how terrible it is are probably wrong, because I have a very low opinion of fandom and the Internet in general. I suspect I'll probably enjoy it well enough when I finally watch it, mainly because the franchise as a whole has long since fallen off any pedestal I might have once put it on. All I really ask from my mediocre space fantasy at this point is to not be as terrible as the prequels (and I suspect that the people rabidly screaming that The Last Jedi is worse than the prequels are being hyperbolic and insane, because it is almost scientifically impossible for anything to be worse than The Phantom Menace).

So while I tend to instinctively think Knives is probably right in that particular tete-a-tete with Cyborg, I can't actually say anything definitively until I actually bother watching it.



(I've mostly gotten terrible about watching movies "on release" these days - almost nothing interests me enough to make me want to go out of my way to see it. Hell, I still haven't seen Thor: Ragnarok yet, and honestly, I kind of want to see that way more than I do Star Wars at this point.)

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(edited 2 months ago)
Oh, also forgot to mention - the only really strong opinion I have about The Last Jedi at the moment is that I'm pretty sure that most of the sorts of people making Change.org petitions about how it should be officially removed from canon probably need to be sterilized and locked away for the good of the species, because honestly, they're just dragging the rest of us down at this point.

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