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User Info: BloodMoon7

BloodMoon7
1 month ago#11
It's not what I think lol, it's what I see people saying. I don't see many people agreeing with you here either. I don't have anything against the idea myself but I just don't see it happening.
I just want to restore this world back to the natural. Bring order to this broken reality. To the way it should have been, all those many years ago.

User Info: Willians

Willians
1 month ago#12
You have not seen anyone agreeing nor disagreeing with me on this point, as none have said what they think of definitive edition to original vs Royal to 5 other than me...

Anyway, today on Twitter it was announced that this year game awards will be on December 10th.

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1308768737869266948?s=19
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User Info: Gamersoft

Gamersoft
4 weeks ago#13
Willians posted...
You have not seen anyone agreeing nor disagreeing with me on this point, as none have said what they think of definitive edition to original vs Royal to 5 other than me...

Anyway, today on Twitter it was announced that this year game awards will be on December 10th.

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1308768737869266948?s=19
I doubt Persona 5 royal gets nominated anyway.

Between Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Xenoblade Definitive Edition and Persona 5 Royal, FF7R is the most likely out of them to be nominated.

User Info: Willians

Willians
4 weeks ago#14
Gamersoft posted...
I doubt Persona 5 royal gets nominated anyway.

Between Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Xenoblade Definitive Edition and Persona 5 Royal, FF7R is the most likely out of them to be nominated.

Indeed, given how much popularity plays a major role in this kind of awards unfortunately. But given it is also the one with the lowest critical response from those, there would be some backslash to them if they did that, unless they come out and say something like "only for new-ish games this year guys". Since 7 remake is actually a reimagining, it would be okay to be there while DE and Royal both would fall if such rule was a thing.

On another note, I was looking at those few reviews that gave DE a low score, and some of them are very badly informed, to the point of being necessary to consider a revision. Things like reviwers not knowing what was the situation with the original characters artstyle and why the models ended up the way they did back them rather than how they were originally intended, like that concept art of Shulk and Fiora done by Tanaka, and hence how Definitive edition fix that by managing to go closer to what was always intended. Or reviewers not knowing about the battle commands and the fact that you can also use chain attacks as a way to have full control of party members. Or how reviwers do not know that there is a difference between quests given by named NPC and quests given by non-named NPCs, etc.

User Info: Willians

Willians
4 weeks ago#15
Today I saw that RPGAMER website did not do a review for XCDE, how strange since they did reviews for all Xenoblades including Torna, and they were writing news about definitive edition before its release. I saw they have reviews for Crystal Chronicles remastered, Persona R Royal and 4 golden PC, so being a remaster does not seems to be a burden. I contacted them by email and their Facebook page, but maybe it would be better if more people called them for that, to show there is an interest in it.

They gave the original and XC2 a 5/5 and X and Torna a 4.5/5. DE would probably be around that too, and who knows, maybe it is enough to give a final push to send the game metascore back to 90. If it gets to 90, together with its already 90 from users score, it would be harder for awards to ignore it.

User Info: Willians

Willians
4 weeks ago#16
A guy from the staff repplied me. He said he would check with there was someone currently doing a review and said that may they did not get a review copy and since they put a lot of effort and time im their reviews a.d Xenoblade is massive, it could take a while, so nice point by RPGAMER, much better than IGN Japan.

And since I said Japan, today I saw the results for the Japan game awards...
I am assuming based one some of the winners and nominees ( Fire emblem three houses, Death Stranding, Pokemon Sword and Shield, etc) that the cut-off date was early this year and games that launched March and after in Japan could not be counted be counted. Otherwise, pretty dissapointing Xenoblade Chronicles definitive edition was nowhere to be found there, unless I am missing something.

User Info: HopesPeak

HopesPeak
4 weeks ago#17
BloodMoon7 posted...
If Persona Royal is counted off for being an expansion, why should Xenoblade be included when it is essentially a fresh coat of paint? Pretty much only FC is new.

That's lame too coz FC is nowhere near worth $60, let alone $20. I was hoping it would be like Torna and actually have enough content to stand on its own. If you ignore the Ponspector quests, you could easily beat FC in 2-5 hours.

XB DE is the first time I ever played XB1, but it really made me wish that I had waited to play XB DE first, instead of jumping in with Torna & Xb2 back in February. You can really tell that XB DE is just an old game with barely anything new about it. Torna looks way better & I was expecting XB DE itself to be a full fledge game using the Torna engine. XB DE looks better than XB2, but I vastly prefer XB2's combat. I actually think it's as fun as Smash Bros Ultimate, especially in BOC mode.

XB DE reminds me of a PS2 era game, where the combat is extremely unbalanced because everything is easy. Expert mode changes nothing and it's not feasible to reset your level 20 below the avg enemy of the area since you can't even hit enemies if you're over 5 levels lower.

I really don't understand why XB DE doesn't have Bringer of Chaos mode. That mode alone is what made Torna & XB2 so insanely replayable, due to how useless the party gauge is without critical buffs.
I'm guessing that XB 1 was just so unbalanced to begin with that there was no feasible way to make the combat challenging while still feeling like a fair fight.
This isn't really a knock on XB1 though, since it was common for older Jrpgs to not have a sense of balancing at all. It's just jarring when you come at XB1 straight from XB2, a game that actually is hard on the highest difficulty setting and feels like a puzzle that you have to figure out, like Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne hard mode.



On another note, I was looking at those few reviews that gave DE a low score, and some of them are very badly informed, to the point of being necessary to consider a revision. Things like reviwers not knowing what was the situation with the original characters artstyle and why the models ended up the way they did back them rather than how they were originally intended, like that concept art of Shulk and Fiora done by Tanaka, and hence how Definitive edition fix that by managing to go closer to what was always intended.

For the life of me, I'll never understand how anyone actually liked the original XB1's art style. They look like lifeless dolls. Even in the cutscenes for XB DE, some scenes that should've been emotional The reveal that Fiora is still alive as a cyborg. just fall flat to me, due to how wooden & deadpan everyones' faces are.
XB2 switched to an Anime artstyle, for better facial expressions and it really shows when you play the two games side by side. XB DE characters never seem to facially emote at all, and it looked even more lifeless in the original game, judging from vids I've seen.

The reveal of that Cyborg chick, should've had Shulk's face emoting with shock the same way that Mythra did during the Torna ending.


I thought people agreed the only major improvement for gameplay was Expert Mode.

Does expert mode only allow you to change your level? Other than that I can't really tell what it does, coz the combat is still damn boring with how easy it is. I thought XB2 was crap too until I played it in BOC & Custom difficulty which really forced you to learn how the combat system works, otherwise you won't even get past a single battle due to how much BOC nerf'ed the hell out of the party gauge.
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User Info: PunishedKlaus

PunishedKlaus
4 weeks ago#18
Having a higher Metacritic score does help
https://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/xenoblade-chronicles-x
https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/xenoblade-chronicles-2

However, nominations or winning awards tend to be given out to entirely new original titles.

Such as Xenoblade X being nominated and winning awards.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xenoblade_Chronicles/comments/5daom0/xenoblade_chronicles_x_nominated_for_role_playing/
http://www.vgmonline.net/awards2015artists/
http://www.vgmonline.net/awards2015nominations/
http://www.vgmonline.net/awards2015audio/
https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Cassandra-Lee-Morris/awards/
https://i.imgur.com/PdpIHR1.png

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User Info: DemiseIctus

DemiseIctus
4 weeks ago#19
Willians posted...
I also noticed there is a fair amount of 90/90+ reviews out there that are not accounted on Metacritic. If Xenoblade managed to make the jump from 89 back to 90, that would be helpful on the upcoming game awards. If they consider Persona 5 royal is unqualified given it is a updated version of a game from this same generation (same way they ignored Dragon quest 11 S despite it being 91 against the original 87), then Xenoblade is the highest rated JRPG of the year by a fair margin (hopefully enough to outbalance FF7 remake popularity).

The Game Awards is run by juries with their own agenda (only 10% of the public votes counted towards the decisions for the winners at TGA). If Xenoblade 3D wasn't nominated at the Game Awards https://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/xenoblade-chronicles-3d

Then they view Xenoblade Definitive Edition as a reskin with barely new changes.

Metacritic doesn't necessarily matter as they still pay attention to the original version of Dragon Quest XI.

At least for Role Playing Games, they seem to like nominate new titles or ones that is expands more such as:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2015
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/1/0/8/AAd0QJAAA9y0.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2016
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/1/0/9/AAd0QJAAA9y1.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2017
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/1/1/0/AAd0QJAAA9y2.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2018
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/1/1/1/AAd0QJAAA9y3.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2019
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/1/1/9/AAd0QJAAA9y_.png
Training to kill Elma or at least Tatsu.
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User Info: Willians

Willians
3 weeks ago#20
@PunishedKlaus yeah, tends to be the case.

@DemiseIctus not sure if I follow the point you did on the bit regarding metacritic and Dragon quest 11.
On the part where you mention which RPGs are nominated, do you think Persona 5 royal falls into the "non elegible" category.

Golden joystick awards 2020 is live now and the category Nintendo game of 6year does not have Xenoblade Chronicles definitive edition but has mario 35, humm.

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