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User Info: DeadlyNinjaBees

DeadlyNinjaBees
3 weeks ago#1
So look: Evolution isn't something you can dismiss. Sure it makes your belief in God less realistic, but that doesn't mean you can just go "It's all lies!" in order to make your beliefs more relevant.
What I want to know is: How do you guys make your belief systems work knowing that time is deep and life was a gradual process that took time in order to allow complexity to occur as an environmental byproduct?
At this point in history, Genesis is a fable. Literalists are wasting their own time and everyone seems to know this. Problem is, the first, opening chapter of the bible has just become compromised via our understanding of the universe and our planet.

How do YOU, dear believer, make your faith work with fact and logic knowing that Genesis was all parable and inference based on limited knowledge of the natural world?
Soi Disantra.

User Info: zinformant

zinformant
3 weeks ago#2
Please research theistic evolution in addition to other belief systems before producing such an effortless topic in the future. You can do better.
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User Info: Gndlf_the_grey

Gndlf_the_grey
3 weeks ago#3
Evolution is based on assumptions of supposed evidence. There are many scientists who do not believe in evolution. The theory has many flaws.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/11/11/5-flaws-in-the-theory-of-evolution/
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

User Info: OrangeWizard

OrangeWizard
3 weeks ago#4
How do you guys make your belief systems work knowing that time is deep and life was a gradual process that took time in order to allow complexity to occur as an environmental byproduct?


You're making a lot of assumptions in thinking that all believers "know" this.

Random mutations exist. That can't be denied. Some call this (not this process alone, but you know what I mean) micro-evolution, or adaptation. One can observe this happening within his lifetime. Jehovah's Witnesses agree that this exists.

We don't, however, agree that humans and animals were created (for lack of a better term) through this process.

What else is there that needs to be "dealt" with?

User Info: zinformant

zinformant
3 weeks ago#5
Gndlf_the_grey posted...
There are many scientists who do not believe in evolution. The theory has many flaws.

However, this holds no merit in the scientific community. There is no meaningful debate on this subject in any empirical discipline.
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User Info: DeadlyNinjaBees

DeadlyNinjaBees
3 weeks ago#6
Gndlf_the_grey posted...
Evolution is based on assumptions of supposed evidence. There are many scientists who do not believe in evolution. The theory has many flaws.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/11/11/5-flaws-in-the-theory-of-evolution/

Okay, no. Firstly, 2014 articles in the world of science is out of date. Especially in the field of evolutionary biology. Secondly, DNA matches with ALL living orgqanisms up to certain points and shows splits and clading. Don't do yourself a stupid by dismissing things that simply are.
If the DNA information was wrong, it wouldn't be used to treat my wife's cancer. How come it's keeping her alive if evolution is wrong? The information literally came from studying apes, mice and canines. Then it worked on humans. Cause we related.
Soi Disantra.

User Info: OrangeWizard

OrangeWizard
3 weeks ago#7
DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
The information literally came from studying apes, mice and canines. Then it worked on humans. Cause we related.


We allegedly also share a majority of our DNA with Bananas. Is that significant?

User Info: DeadlyNinjaBees

DeadlyNinjaBees
3 weeks ago#8
zinformant posted...
Please research theistic evolution in addition to other belief systems before producing such an effortless topic in the future. You can do better.

Oh I have, but it's silly, completely devoid of citation and referencing, and genrally promotomed by Ken Ham. Don't be ridiculous: Thesitic evolution does not hold up to scientific methodology. It's simply unfair and dishonest to expect readers to take it as fact considering the complete lack of evidence used to promote these ideas outside of "God made this and sinful man interpreted it incorrectly!".
f*** that! That's insulting and diminishing.
There's oodles of videos on Youtube for example, that hone in on one asepct of a bilogocial process and promote a celestial hand moving the process along.
In one example I've recently seen, the narrator was effectively saying "God" guides sperm to the egg because the sperm shouldn't know to travel towards it. The truth is, the "tail" on sperm cells propels it via receptors thant bond with a protein the egg emits. This protein is literally the "fuel" that makes the sperm tail wiggle and propel it forward.
It's embarrassing to watch.
Then there is the dinosaur feathers stuff. That's REALLY upset some stupid people. And for stupid reasons. "Intelligent Design" has been repeatedly discredited. If you don't actively SEEK answers to the "intelligently" designed aspects to an organism, you're probably gonna belive it because you WANT to.
For the purpose of this topic, we will be referencing only findings based on scientific evidence and not based on "pretty thoughts and creation magic".
Soi Disantra.

User Info: DeadlyNinjaBees

DeadlyNinjaBees
3 weeks ago#9
OrangeWizard posted...
DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
The information literally came from studying apes, mice and canines. Then it worked on humans. Cause we related.


We allegedly also share a majority of our DNA with Bananas. Is that significant?

Well, YES! The time life spent developing and diversifying into clades was FAR longer than the period we are now experiencing and occupying.
I'm related to all of my pot plants. So are you. Nothing wrong with that. All life has a common ancestor.
Use a cosmic calendar to get a visual:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar
Soi Disantra.

User Info: zinformant

zinformant
3 weeks ago#10
DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
Oh I have, but it's silly, completely devoid of citation and referencing, and genrally promotomed by Ken Ham.

This is factually incorrect. Do your homework before claiming any shred of expertise on the subject and having any expectation of being taken seriously.
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