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User Info: hero boy

hero boy
6 years ago#31
I don't think it's fair for you to assume any conditions about the Big Bang as true except the ones we know. Otherwise the only thing you're arguing is that the singularity with those characteristics must be wrong.


The fact is that we cannot extrapolate backwards any further than a fraction of a second after the Big Bang. It seems right now, based on our current knowledge, that it would be a singularity, but until we can determine how QM interacts with gravity and develop a GUT, we don't know what would happen, or if singularities actually can exist, or what characteristics they actually have.
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User Info: Retrotastic

Retrotastic
6 years ago#32
Well there's enough of a lack of knowledge about the origins of the universe to entertain the belief in a religion that focuses specifically on an all powerful creator God. You can also still be an atheist, Buddhist or whatever else at this moment in time. If we actually come to know more of the origins of the universe then perhaps we would be in some position of actual knowledge.
the final bahamut 6 years ago#33
-If there are no Gods, we must assume that the universe operates simply on natural laws.
-If the universe operates on laws, it should be regulated and sensible.
-The Universe is not sensible, but quite silly.
-Therefore, some God(s) must exist to muck up the sensibility of the Laws.


If Gods didn't exist, there'd be no duckbilled platypuses on Earth or giant waterslides in space.
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Retrotastic
6 years ago#34
Gods may exist but are they interested in us and are we meant to worship them? Do we need them to be moral? These are the other questions to consider.

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sefsefsefsef
6 years ago#35
I think Lovecraftian deities are depressing.

I don't see a point in there being a universe if a benevolent God didn't exist.
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Retrotastic
6 years ago#36
I don't see a point in there being a universe if a benevolent God didn't exist.

What do mean a point?

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sefsefsefsef
6 years ago#37
Sorry, that was vague on my part.

I mean a universe where I care about the consequences of any action (whether "good" or "evil"). Something only has "a point" if there are meaningful consequences involved. Without a benevolent God in the picture, there are no meaningful consequences to any action (whether by man or nature) in my opinion.
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Retrotastic
6 years ago#38
So the only motivation to do good is if there will be a meaningful consequence for you as a result? You couldn't do good just because you would like do to good?

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sefsefsefsef
6 years ago#39
There doesn't have to be a positive consequence for me to be motivated to do something (there's nothing selfish about what I said). That's separate from a "meaningful consequence." I'm only saying that things don't matter in a universe where there is no benevolent Deity.

For example, if I die tomorrow, it wouldn't matter. My family would be sad, but that wouldn't matter either. Global warming could kill all the polar bears, but that wouldn't matter. Global warming could kill all the humans, but that wouldn't matter either (who says there needs to be humans?). There just wouldn't be a point to anything if there wasn't a benevolent God behind the scenes whose project this all is.

Some might take that a step further and say that doesn't matter either, but I'd disagree with that. Personal opinion.
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Retrotastic
6 years ago#40
For example, if I die tomorrow, it wouldn't matter. My family would be sad, but that wouldn't matter either. Global warming could kill all the polar bears, but that wouldn't matter. Global warming could kill all the humans, but that wouldn't matter either (who says there needs to be humans?). There just wouldn't be a point to anything if there wasn't a benevolent God behind the scenes whose project this all is.

The world will be destroyed at some point in the future whether there is a God or not. But doesn't all this still matter to us while its still here regardless of whether there is a benevolent God or not?
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