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User Info: OnceInALifeTime

OnceInALifeTime
6 years ago#11
I think it depends on the level of belief somebody has. If a scientist believes the world is only 6000 years old, I'd question their intelligence. If a scientist accepts evolution, but thinks it was started by a deity, I wouldn't necessarily question their intelligence but I'd certainly question their argument and believes.

Dawkins talks about this in the God Delusion, and iirc he was talking more about scientists with a religious belief rather than intelligent people with a religious belief, and was doing so in answer to the notion that "even scientists believe the bible is true!". He's saying that scientists with religious beliefs don't typically have the same level of beliefs as the average Christian, not that they are being stupid.
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User Info: Retrotastic

Retrotastic
6 years ago#12
I don't think Dawkins understands that regardless of intelligence religious faith is something a lot of people genuinely want to have. In the God Delusion he seems to think people are having to believe in religions against their own will because they don't understand the alternative. I think most people understand the alternative pretty well.

User Info: ledzepfan15

ledzepfan15
6 years ago#13
In the God Delusion he seems to think people are having to believe in religions against their own will because they don't understand the alternative. I think most people understand the alternative pretty well.

No I think it's because people don't understand the alternative, is why they choose to reject it. Many theists seem to straw man scientific principles like evolution and the big bang, because they don't understand it. And because those things go against their beliefs, they choose not to understand it.
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the_hedonist
6 years ago#14
ledzepfan15 posted...
No I think it's because people don't understand the alternative, is why they choose to reject it. Many theists seem to straw man scientific principles like evolution and the big bang, because they don't understand it. And because those things go against their beliefs, they choose not to understand it.

Evolution and the big bang are not alternatives to theism.
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Dbzmaniax
6 years ago#15
Am I expected to give weight to who this man believes to be intelligent or not. I was about to write a short paragraph against his point before deciding that it would be quite insulting to my intelligence and that of the many others to bother arguing the points presented by Retro.
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User Info: ledzepfan15

ledzepfan15
6 years ago#16
Evolution and the big bang are not alternatives to theism.

I'm aware of that, but other people believe otherwise.
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sefsefsefsef
6 years ago#17
I don't get what's attractive about the alternatives to religiousness. Is there something beyond "I disagree with his beliefs!" that makes a religious person less desirable?
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User Info: Retrotastic

Retrotastic
6 years ago#18
It's tends to be only organised theistic religions atheists are attempting to organise themselves against as they see them as a malign influence on society and prevents proper science from being understood. Though of course they also see themselves as having superior intellectual honesty. There tends to be a great deal of self satisfied ego involved as you can see in that video clip.

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sefsefsefsef
6 years ago#19
Retro, that makes it sound like atheists feel blind/bigoted fear/hatred of religious people. It seems irrational to me.
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ledzepfan15
6 years ago#20
Though of course they also see themselves as having superior intellectual honesty.

Why do you think that?
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