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TyVulpine 1 month ago#21
WoodenRook posted...


Jobs are going away. To China.
FTFY. Because companies find it cheaper to pay labor overseas than here in the US, and since the government doesn't give a s*** about forcing companies to keep jobs here, they'll continue to outsource to other countries. But that's not your problem, right? So why do anything about it, right? Eventually, it WILL be your problem, when the company decides to outsource your job overseas, then who will protect you?

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Covenant 1 month ago#23
Divine Tonberry posted...
No, the more people vote, the less informed the voting populace will be.
Hate to break it to you, but neither voter registration nor likelihood to vote have ever been found to correlate with any real level of engagement or knowledge of the issues. There are a few reasons for this:

  1. Dumb people already vote. Lots of them. They're too dumb to realize that they have no idea what they're talking about, so they're very eager to make their voices heard.
  2. Our society has phased out the overwhelming majority of genuine political conversation and knowledge. The average college graduate today knows as much about the issues as the average high school graduate knew in the 1950s.
The hand-wringing over the unwashed masses of non-voters having their voices heard is the most pathetic, ignorant, ego-driven garbage I've seen in months. How many top advisers on presidential campaigns have to write essays about how ignorant the voterbase is before you all catch on?
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BadDecisions 1 month ago#25
Sczoyd posted...
I don't know, my fear is that the people who normally don't bother to vote are probably even less informed on the issues that the average conservative is.
Studies have shown that people who consume no news are generally more informed than people that use Fox as their primary source, so I'm not convinced this is true.

I think there are upsides and downsides to compulsory voting, the biggest benefit would probably be forcing young people to engage early instead of allowing them to wait until their late 20s or 30s or even later to get involved when any real impact their votes could make in their life has already dwindled to nothing. It's hard to explain to an 18 year old "hey what's on the ballot right now? That's neither temporary nor short-term and it's probably gonna impact you in a big way at 35 and all the way through retirement," but if you say, "hey, you literally have to go vote," maybe they'll become a little more educated on the issues and involved in improving the country.

Overall I think it would be a good thing but I can understand arguments against it.
Skyrazer 1 month ago#26
Coming from Australia where we do have mandatory voting, there's a lot of....groundless assumptions going on in this topic.

More misinformed or ignorant voters? Not really. Because people are forced to vote, they actually put in some effort to get somewhat informed on issues and policy (usually leading up to an election). Not saying they dive headlong into politics and get all actively involved and stuff, but they atleast try to make an informed vote. This wouldn't happen if people didn't have to vote as they'd just...well...not give a **** and not vote. A good majority of "clueless" voters put in invalid or "donkey" votes anyway to avoid the $20 fine for not voting.

Compulsory voting also pulls the 2 parties closer together as they fight to claim the swing middle-ground. Why would you bother trying to appeal to your dedicated base when you've already got their vote? This is the opposite of what happens in the US where the divide between the 2 parties has grown and Dems/Repubs have to appeal to their base to motivate them to vote. This also has a muting effect on the more extremists as appealing to them will only turn off the vital middle-ground which is who you need to get you into power.

Also LOL at thinking mandatory voting will benefit the Republicans. Mandatory voting will likely bury the current Republican party as they've gotten way too out there. If the Repubs tried to run here in Australia, they wouldn't be a viable party.
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IceCreamOnStero 1 month ago#29
Skyrazer posted...
Compulsory voting also pulls the 2 parties closer together as they fight to claim the swing middle-ground. Why would you bother trying to appeal to your dedicated base when you've already got their vote? This is the opposite of what happens in the US where the divide between the 2 parties has grown and Dems/Repubs have to appeal to their base to motivate them to vote. This also has a muting effect on the more extremists as appealing to them will only turn off the vital middle-ground which is who you need to get you into power.
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Flambian 1 month ago#30
Voting turnout differs heavily country to country, with Denmark usually reaching ~90% For comparison, the US 2020 presidential election had a turnout of 66.7 percent, the highest in over a century. Abraham Lincoln's first election, the highest in history at the time, had a turnout of 81 percent. Since 1860, the right to vote has been extended to nonwhites and women, yet it has consistently stayed down since then. Clearly, voting turnout has a relationship to the material conditions of society. When people are alienated from politics, they don't vote.

Compulsory voting is the kind of top down solution that would benefit Democrats (since more people lean democrat than republican, even if they don't vote) while allowing said Democrats to continue to ignore and alienate more than a third of the voting population, which is why technocratic liberals love proposing it.
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