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the final bahamut 3 weeks ago#61
Dynedux posted...
the final bahamut posted...
So you haven't gotten a reaction from this line of reply so far. Tell me, dk you think it's fruitful?
But please, tell me, what was the satirical point of pretending that cis-men are changing their legal gender to compete in sporting events.
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If you honestly think you're winning or getting a reaction I feel bad for you:/
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ArtiRock
3 weeks ago#62
the final bahamut posted...
Psst... I have a secret for you: Lifting an unconscious person is about technique, not physical strength.
Sorry to pop your bubble which is clearly built on Hollywood and videogames, but you don't actually need to be strong to lift someone, you just need to know what you are doing and you need to not have brittle bones. My 89 year old grandma is 80 pounds soaking wet and cannpt lift her arms above her head. And yet she has literally carried my 200 pound grandpa on more than one occasion, including once when he fell on top of her. She has never been an athlete and she was a schoolgirl during the war and never joined any resistance. She has absolutely no combat experience and before being a homemaker she was a secretary. However, she's done her radio calisthenics and she's lucky enough to not have osteoporosis and because of that she can carry around a grown man, because the thing is you don't actually need strength, you need technique. Sorry. If you try to carry an unconscious body with strength rather than technique it kind of doesn't matter how strong you are, you're going to get fatigue pretty soon just because of how unwieldy a bundle it is. Lift it right and you can do it pretty easily.

Pssst... I have a secret for you. Lifting still requires strength. All the technique in the world does you no good if you can't pick them up and maintain carrying them. Pushing someone off of you is NOT the same as carrying them to safety. Are you joking? You still need stamina, which as you probably can't guess, is strength. This is a highly talked about subject in bodybuilding. Reps versus Weight, and in many cases, the end result is that if you do either until exhaustion the effects are more or less the same. Ergo, the current thought it that one can train to have stamina to make up for less burst strength, but a person should ideally train for both. In other words, a woman can still be physically capable of carrying people. You have made 0 points here. Not to mention things like mass makes it even easier for a male to carry someone because they are larger generally speaking.

the final bahamut posted...
I'm sorry, but are you trying to say "even people who's literal job it is to be in good physical shape have to prove that they're in shape enough to be a soldier!" as though it was an argument AGAINST how the test wasn't essentially an emotional stunt.

Here's a question: Does the test happen before or after boot camp (bonus question; can you tell why that matters?)

I'm sorry, but do you not know what health standards are? There are minimum requirements for health. Example, an extreme bodybuilder would probably fail the requirements to be a soldier because they aren't conditioned well enough for cardiovascular. And it goes beyond that as well, certain health problems such as asthma are a thing that must be taken into account as well. What are you even talking about here?
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ArtiRock
3 weeks ago#63
the final bahamut posted...
Do you know what facts are? See you can holler all you want about averages and how much a person has to work and misunderstood science, but here's the thing: reality has already countered your argument. There's been plenty of theatres that have seen female soldiers who are in good shape but aren't breaking any records. They make just as fine soldiers as men. There are entire fighting forces in the middle east that have held off ISIS and consist of regulat village women who know how to use a gun and know how to set up patrols, structure an offensive set up defence etc. They're not super well trained, they're just average women. Because unlike in the video games and the movies, the most useful skill to a soldier isn't physical strength, it's not being the MVP with the most headshots. Its discipline, teamwork, and strategy. Being actual "army strong" is not about being able to lift a downed soldier single handedly. It's about being in the s*** and not losing it but sticking with your training. It's about endless waiting and nothing but still not losing your discipline but maintaining your vigilance and thoroughness. It's about being tired and sore and wet and hungry and worried and still not getting sloppy and not giving up. And none of those really have much to do with physical strength.

Sure, you're probably going to have big problems in the field if you're massively obese and have cardiac problems and asthma. But if you're a reasonably fit human being Male or female, you have the foundation to be a good soldier.

Physics is misunderstood science? What in the f*** are you talking about here? Real talk. There's nothing that sounds women can't be soldiers. You've made a terrible straw man argument here. An army of people that are more physically adept are going to be better. Period. Team work, strategy, and discipline are all attributes men can have too. Hell, testosterone is even tied to reaction times, and a better sense of direction as well. There's nothing here that says that women suck and this isn't talking down on women. They can be capable.

And that doesn't change anything that was stated earlier. Trying to side step this by saying my argument was "woman can't be soldiers" is a straw man through and through.
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ArtiRock
3 weeks ago#64
the final bahamut posted...
If you honestly think you're winning or getting a reaction I feel bad for you:/

No. He's not humoring someone that can't make coherent arguments and stick to what was said, and instead makes up their own arguments for what people say and then "counters" that.
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goooooBills
3 weeks ago#65
I wonder how many of you even watched it. Relax...comedy isn't hate speech lol.
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3 weeks ago#66
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
What is hate speech?


A term usually used by far-Leftists to silence dissent and shutdown debate. Can't have any wrongthink going on afterall.
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ArtiRock
3 weeks ago#67
goooooBills posted...
I wonder how many of you even watched it. Relax...comedy isn't hate speech lol.

Of course they didn't. Even if you watched the short clip, you'd understand based on the audience reaction that the man was simply being a douche.
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SaikyoStyle
3 weeks ago#68
the final bahamut posted...
Dynedux posted...
Yeah the episode wasn't actually a satire about trans people.



Okay, what is it a satire about?

I think it’s satirizing people who think this is what all trans people are and pretend to give a s*** about women’s sports so that they can spew hatred towards them with a thin veneer of legitimacy.
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Russian Rocket
3 weeks ago#69
skermac posted...
sevihaimerej posted...
Why are you folks trying so hard not to understand the episode? Is outrage more pleasurable for you all than laughter?


this is gamefaqs, what do you expect?


Where are you seeing this supposed mass outrage in this topic?
the final bahamut 3 weeks ago#70
ArtiRock posted...

Pssst... I have a secret for you. Lifting still requires strength.


Okay. Then explain my 80 lbs grandma lifting my 200 lbs grandpa. Explain female firefighters and female EMT workers - you know people who also have to be able to lift unconscious people. Hell, explain female elderly care nurses who regularly deal with lifting, shifting, rolling and otherwise manipulating people. The reason that nurses have strict limits on lifting old people is not because a female nurse can't lift an obese man, it was because nurses were lifting people so much that they ended up getting worn down by it in their 50s.
Because here's the thing; your argument is in denial of actual observable fact. It's not a good argument.

Pushing someone off of you is NOT the same as carrying them to safety.


Your right, it's actually harder because you can't position yourself right, have extremely reduced leverage and may have one or more limbs trapped.

You still need stamina, which as you probably can't guess, is strength.


Do you really need me to explain to you that female long-distance runners, climbers and other endurance sports enthusiasts are exceedingly common? Are you really unaware that it's extremely common for women to run marathons?
See, the thing is: Humans are actually speckled for endurance. It's one of humanity's few strengths. We have a modified gait, we have sweat glands, we have reduced insulation, we have all these nifty little things to allow for extreme endurance even at just reasonable fitness. And that sort of endurance is actually not tested by most fitness tests. Your argument on bodybuilding demonstrates a basic misunderstanding about what training is. The point of weight training is muscle exhaustion. The point of physical work is exactly the opposite of that. That's why things work quite differently. Most heavy duty body builders have a level of strength that is superfluous to soldiering. It doesn't really help them and it just makes their body burn more energy. A body like the Rock's has a bunch of liabilities for soldiering which is why if he went into the army he'd probably lose a significant amount of muscle mass and be better for it.


I'm sorry, but do you not know what health standards are? There are minimum requirements for health. Example, an extreme bodybuilder would probably fail the requirements to be a soldier because they aren't conditioned well enough for cardiovascular. And it goes beyond that as well, certain health problems such as asthma are a thing that must be taken into account as well. What are you even talking about here?


I'm asking you when the tests happen relative to boot camp and why that might be relevant. You, on the other hand, have started talking about asthma and muscle idiots who don't know cardio is important (and who probably skip leg day) in a discussion about fit, healthy women. You are doing this because you have lost you ground and you're flailing.
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