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User Info: Russian Rocket

Russian Rocket
2 months ago#11
Im_JustMe0129 posted...
Communism is not great and goes against what this country was founded on. It has no place here, nor should it ever.


lol

User Info: Nitro378

Nitro378
2 months ago#12
Thebrah posted...
Nitro378 posted...
Gamerguymass posted...
No country on earth has ever been a communist country. Communism is an economic, political and social system. It is about true equality in all aspects of life. It's not just about how the economy is run.

Communism also isn't something that can be established tomorrow, it can only grow out of socialism. Any leader who ever said they created communism (Stalin, Mao, etc) is a revisionist and not a Marxist.

Right which is interesting because that would indicate that Marx is a prophet or a highly intelligent futurist, because -- and here's the interesting part -- the world is becoming increasingly socialist and involved in technology. This indicates that technological growth will bring about complete and total communism.

Well... it depends. If technology is harnessed by the many, yes, if it remains in the tight grip of the rich, who knows what terrible dystopia will result.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2011/12/four-futures/
Why is it only called class war when we fight back? https://youtu.be/fUuK6JtP7xA
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User Info: Thebrah

Thebrah
2 months ago#13
Rentism and Socialism in your provided link are impossibilities due to them being remnants of the old world that I'm suggesting we would evolve out of. Leaving communism or exterminism, as per your source choice of words. Thanks for sharing that.
Most capitalists don't know that you can't become rich without doing the opposite of Jesus Christ's golden rule. Maybe that's why rich folk don't go to heaven.

User Info: Nitro378

Nitro378
2 months ago#14
Thebrah posted...
Rentism and Socialism in your provided link are impossibilities due to them being remnants of the old world that I'm suggesting we would evolve out of. Leaving communism or exterminism, as per your source choice of words. Thanks for sharing that.

No problem. Basically the concept is that if the climate collapses and many resources run out, we'll be in socialism (scraping by) or exterminism (the rich eat the poor), if it doesn't get that bad and technology manages to avoid the problem, we'll be in rentism (the rich own all the robots but don't have an excuse to genocide everyone) or communism (the machines are owned in common and every man is a king).

But yeah, I'm a big fan of it too, I actually have the book that expands on this article too but I haven't got round to reading it yet, because bleh.
Why is it only called class war when we fight back? https://youtu.be/fUuK6JtP7xA
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User Info: Thebrah

Thebrah
2 months ago#15
Yeah I'm a pure believer in science and technology making scarcity impossibilities. I think we'll find how to exchange elements for other ones and we'll find sources of eternal energy with no pollution. So that's why I go for the futurist idea of just the two extremes, leaving out the two I said.
Most capitalists don't know that you can't become rich without doing the opposite of Jesus Christ's golden rule. Maybe that's why rich folk don't go to heaven.

User Info: Nitro378

Nitro378
2 months ago#16
I agree that technology /could/ develop to a level where it would be easy to stop climate change/end the energy crisis etc, but my problem with that idea is that we already have the technology to run at or near zero emissions as a species, nuclear energy, solar and wind and hydro energy, carbon capture, hell even forestation programmes would get a good amount of the way there and we've had the technology to do that for thousands of years. What's missing is the political will to change anything when the profits are still stacking up. However, I guess that's what you would suggest in the exterminism scenario, the technology exists but just isn't used because of cost or whatever other reasons. Fair enough. Good talk man!
Why is it only called class war when we fight back? https://youtu.be/fUuK6JtP7xA
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User Info: megaman1376

megaman1376
2 months ago#17
comunism will always fail because one factor
human nature the rich and powerfull always want to stay rich and powerful and the poor and weak strives to become rich and powerful

User Info: Nitro378

Nitro378
2 months ago#18
megaman1376 posted...
comunism will always fail because one factor
human nature the rich and powerfull always want to stay rich and powerful and the poor and weak strives to become rich and powerful

Yeah, people say this, but for the vast majority of our existence as a species, we didn't have capitalism, we worked together in small tribes with no private property (which means economic property), and it's thought that even when agriculture and towns began things were generally equitable and cooperative, it's only when religions and kings and warriors and rule by the sword (or pointy stick but regardless) began that economics became privatised with one man working for another.

So, in short, no it isn't, human nature is malleable, in capitalism we're trained to be greedy and seek power over others which is why the psychopaths are the most successful in business and politics.
Why is it only called class war when we fight back? https://youtu.be/fUuK6JtP7xA
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User Info: Irenicus

Irenicus
2 months ago#19
I'm yet to see a system of Communism actually work. I liked Socialist Humanism when I was younger but that if anything is even more idealistic. Nowadays I think capitalism with an element of socialism is the best way
Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways

User Info: Jennifer-072

Jennifer-072
2 months ago#20
young_flip posted...
Barry O might've agreed with you TC. thats why the communist FBI & CIA dirs.


Source/evidence required for that claim.
My gravestone will read "I wanted to see what would happen." Or "I thought I would bounce."
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