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User Info: Ryan914

Ryan914
2 months ago#121
chaos knight posted...
Ryan914 posted...
mrstubix posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
LewsTheDragon posted...
Making the argument at all biological misses the point. This is a culture thing. Common belief throughout most of the 19th century held that whites were intellectually superior to blacks. We've come a long way.

Similarly, the idea that masculinity = sexual prowess and/or dominance is just another cultural maxim that should be (and I think finally is being) challenged.


While I agree, it had to come from somewhere, right? In order for it to be a cultural thing, it had to originate somewhere? If biology isn't, at least partly, to blame for the initiation, then what is?

To provide an example, in the U.S. and most modern cultures, monogamy is considered a positive trait. That does not make sense with the fact that testerone makes breading with the maximum amount of people the main draw. Society already goes against biology a ton.


Monogamy is a K-minded trait and most of western civilization was built with a K-mentality as opposed to an r-mentality.

The only reason we have this nightmare of out of wedlock children is because society coddles people into procreating for the dole. If we didn't have this system that gives this safety net to people who are irresponsible when it comes to child rearing, those children would have died out and only a few would survive as it would balance out. When papa gov't cuts the spigot if it runs out of money, you will see humans revert back to a more tribal state where people will be more driven towards their own groups out of need for security. Those who are irresponsible will die out and those who rear their offspring properly will flourish.


Almost sounds like you are hoping this happens, and that millions of kids are left to die because of irresponsible parents.


It will be inevitable if the economy collapses due to irresponsible parenting bleeding the resources dry atop entitlements; I honestly wish to avert this crisis that some of us see on the horizon, hence why I want to offer solutions here and now rather than later when it does happen. I feel sorry for those children who were brought into the world by those irresponsible parents, they never asked for any of this. I want to see our society flourish, but should things keep going the way they are now, the writing on the wall is clear as day if you see how things are.

User Info: RyanBraun8

RyanBraun8
2 months ago#122
Why do Western chauvinists engage in mental gymnastics to discredit feminists?

I think it would be easier to just be a less s***ty person, but that's just me.
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User Info: GritBusters

GritBusters
2 months ago#123
kislev posted...
If feminists in the west really want to wrestle with the real oppression of women, why are they so focused on non-existent faults in our country? Shouldn’t they be setting their sights on Islamic nations; namely Saudi Arabia? We hear feminists rattle on incessantly about non-existent rape culture in the west while there is a very real rape culture within Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women is barbaric in every sense of the word, and yet we hear nothing from their western feminist counterparts. Only recently did King Salmon of Saudi Arabia allow women to drive for the first time, and still even that story got limited coverage here in the west.

Saudi Arabia is a country that treats women like cattle, has for a long time, and continues to here in modern times.

So why do Western Feminists continue to ignore this?


I don't, and I openly call myself a feminist.

I don't support anyone who doesn't take a militantly anti-Riyadh line on foreign policy and geopolitics or who thought the s*** we pulled in Iraq, Syria, and Libya was a good idea.

I f***ing hate Zbigniew Brzezinski and Charlie Wilson and consider the Soviets, for their endless array of moral and economic failings, to be the relative good guys in Afghanistan and want nothing more than to avenge Khomeini's goons for what they did to my fellow liberals and socialists in Iran.

But none of these positions require that I spend trillions of dollars on useless wars, support idiotic austerity economics that ultimately strangle our economies and cripple our infrastructure, arbitrarily make life miserable for my Muslim compatriots, or make infantile jokes about Mohammed or about Islamic dietary habits.
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User Info: kislev

kislev
2 months ago#124
RyanBraun8 posted...
Why do Western chauvinists engage in mental gymnastics to discredit feminists?

I think it would be easier to just be a less s***ty person, but that's just me.


According to you women have it good in Saudi Arabia?
https://youtu.be/BxgSV3C7vro
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User Info: Herbette

Herbette
2 months ago#125
kislev posted...
According to you women have it good in Saudi Arabia?


We are still waiting to know what you're doing yourself to help muslim women in Saudi Arabia.

Meanwhile, western feminists are supporting eastern feminists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUn2j1hLOo

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User Info: RyanBraun8

RyanBraun8
2 months ago#126
kislev posted...
RyanBraun8 posted...
Why do Western chauvinists engage in mental gymnastics to discredit feminists?

I think it would be easier to just be a less s***ty person, but that's just me.


According to you women have it good in Saudi Arabia?


I never said that. Thanks for easily proving my point. Try harder when you troll.
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User Info: kislev

kislev
2 months ago#127
RyanBraun8 posted...
kislev posted...
RyanBraun8 posted...
Why do Western chauvinists engage in mental gymnastics to discredit feminists?

I think it would be easier to just be a less s***ty person, but that's just me.


According to you women have it good in Saudi Arabia?


I never said that. Thanks for easily proving my point. Try harder when you troll.


A known liberal troll is calling me a troll now lol
https://youtu.be/BxgSV3C7vro
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User Info: hak145

hak145
2 months ago#128
i think this is more about you're dislike of feminism and feminists rather then the actual issue.
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Metal Gear Raxis
2 months ago#129
DnDer posted...
Pay gap, for starters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWBXbGVyQU
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User Info: DnDer

DnDer
2 months ago#130
Look! Someone who doesn't know what they're talking about!

Metal Gear Raxis posted...
DnDer posted...
Pay gap, for starters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWBXbGVyQU


Look! Someone who does! From the first page, no less.

LewsTheDragon posted...
kislev posted...
So the pay gap myth? Really that's your arguement? Going to tag you as a troll now

bkilla posted...
So because women choose to have children, retire younger, take humanities courses rather than engineering, and don't do overtime as much as men do, is sexism?

kislev posted...
If the pay gap was somehow true than companies would only hire women since they are apperntly cheaper
Do liberals not know how to process basic logic?

Oh, how I do love brazen displays of ignorance.

Studies have identified a number of factors that account for a share of the difference in earnings between women and men, including women’s greater likelihood to reduce or leave paid work to care for children or adult family members7 and the combination of occupational segregation and lower median pay in occupations in which women make up a significant share of all workers employed.8
The most recent comprehensive study of earnings, which followed a cohort of women and men across a 30-year period from 1980 to 2010, and thus could control for factors such as differences in occupation and industry and time out of the labor market, found that differences in occupations and industry of employment explained close to half of the difference in women’s and men’s earnings (32.9 percent and 17.6 percent, respectively).9
In other words, nearly one-third of the gap in earnings is due to the fact that women tend to work in different occupations from men, and that the occupations in which women are the large majority of workers have lower earnings than those in which most workers are men. For example, women are only a quarter of workers in computer and mathematical occupations, which tend to have earnings well above average. Nearly one-fifth of the gap (17.6 percent) is due to differences in the sectors in which women and men work; a supervisor or human resources manager working in manufacturing, for example, may have higher earnings than a supervisor working in a restaurant. Differences in the time that women and men spent out of paid work were found to explain 14.1 percent of their overall difference in earnings. Yet, even after the impact of all other factors commonly associated with differences in earnings (including education, race, and unionization) were analyzed, an ‘unexplained’ share of the wage gap (38.0 percent) remained. Economists take at least part of this unexplained gap between women’s and men’s earnings as the best proxy for discrimination.

https://www.dol.gov/wb/resources/Womens_Earnings_and_the_Wage_Gap_17.pdf

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