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User Info: Atombender

Atombender
7 months ago#51
Stonedwolfed posted...
Atombender posted...
An upper middle and upper class person would have no reason whatsoever to join ISIS or commit a terrorist act.


Once again, and this time with the feeling, your reckons are contracted by the evidence.

Of a group of 404 members of violent Islamist groups in the Muslim world, Gambetta and Hertog tracked down the course of study for 178 individuals. Of those 178 violent Islamists, 78 (44 percent) were engineers. Broadening the course of study to engineering, medicine, and science, 56.7 percent of their sample had studied these fields.


And

Meanwhile, non-Muslim left-wing groups — Germany’s Red Army Faction, Italy’s Red Brigades, and Latin American guerrilla groups — include almost no engineers. Among anarchist groups, engineers are equally absent. Right-wing groups include some engineers, but they are far from overrepresented.


So just because you see a link between lack-of-education in #PantyFa type groups (and that a good education might cure then) that doesn't automatically mean it will apply to Islam - because the studies show it doesn't.

To account for this disparity in occupation among Islamic terrorists in the Muslim world, Gambetta and Hertog sketch out a particular engineering "mindset" in which the profession is "more attractive to individuals seeking cognitive ‘closure’ and clear-cut answers as opposed to more open-ended sciences — a disposition which has been empirically linked to conservative political attitudes." Engineers, the authors find, are far more conservative on the whole than members of other professions. Islamic extremism "rejects Western pluralism and argues for a unified ordered society" — a political worldview that lines up nicely with a profession averse to chaos.


So it's not about education, it's about mindset; specifically an engineering education (etc.) won't dissuade a conservative Muslim it'll just give them dangerous toys to play with.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/11/theres-a-good-reason-why-so-many-terrorists-are-engineers/

https://orientemiedo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diego-gambetta-steffen-hertog-why-are-there-so-many-engineers-among-islamic-radicals.pdf


Engineers are upper class now?
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User Info: axelfooley2k5

axelfooley2k5
7 months ago#53
I think think you all are being a bit literal

this whole topic is out of line because education means nothing...that is one subset of who you are as a person

she would like to think a more educated person would have more morals......but when she says education I think she is talking about a grounding in reality

she is talking about people being aware of what is factual and what isn't
common sense logic and all around respectable humanity is what we are missing

common human decency is eroding
LESS CONTACT BETWEEN RICH AND POOR_MORE HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE POOR_INDUSTRIES THAT EXPLOIT FEAR_MORE LAWS THAT EXPLOIT FEAR_MORE FEAR IN THE MEDIA__MORE FEAR__

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Stonedwolfed
7 months ago#54
Atombender posted...
Stonedwolfed posted...
Atombender posted...
An upper middle and upper class person would have no reason whatsoever to join ISIS or commit a terrorist act.


Once again, and this time with the feeling, your reckons are contracted by the evidence.

Of a group of 404 members of violent Islamist groups in the Muslim world, Gambetta and Hertog tracked down the course of study for 178 individuals. Of those 178 violent Islamists, 78 (44 percent) were engineers. Broadening the course of study to engineering, medicine, and science, 56.7 percent of their sample had studied these fields.


And

Meanwhile, non-Muslim left-wing groups — Germany’s Red Army Faction, Italy’s Red Brigades, and Latin American guerrilla groups — include almost no engineers. Among anarchist groups, engineers are equally absent. Right-wing groups include some engineers, but they are far from overrepresented.


So just because you see a link between lack-of-education in #PantyFa type groups (and that a good education might cure then) that doesn't automatically mean it will apply to Islam - because the studies show it doesn't.

To account for this disparity in occupation among Islamic terrorists in the Muslim world, Gambetta and Hertog sketch out a particular engineering "mindset" in which the profession is "more attractive to individuals seeking cognitive ‘closure’ and clear-cut answers as opposed to more open-ended sciences — a disposition which has been empirically linked to conservative political attitudes." Engineers, the authors find, are far more conservative on the whole than members of other professions. Islamic extremism "rejects Western pluralism and argues for a unified ordered society" — a political worldview that lines up nicely with a profession averse to chaos.


So it's not about education, it's about mindset; specifically an engineering education (etc.) won't dissuade a conservative Muslim it'll just give them dangerous toys to play with.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/11/theres-a-good-reason-why-so-many-terrorists-are-engineers/

https://orientemiedo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diego-gambetta-steffen-hertog-why-are-there-so-many-engineers-among-islamic-radicals.pdf


Engineers are upper class now?


Upper middle, hell f***ing yes.
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axelfooley2k5
7 months ago#55
we have a white nationalist president who wouldn't condemn a kid who plowed through a crowd with his challenger

he wouldn't declare that as terrorism......think about that

that was terrorism
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Stonedwolfed
7 months ago#56
axelfooley2k5 posted...
we have a white nationalist president who wouldn't condemn a kid who plowed through a crowd with his challenger he wouldn't declare that as terrorism......think about that that was terrorism


It's a good topic to make but not a good response to this quite different topic.
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BetaSquadron
7 months ago#57
Stonedwolfed posted...
Now tell me they're 25% of these tables, or anything closely resembling it.

Why are Muslims the majority of crimes on an arbitrary designation of crimes made by western governments?

Because if western governments included their own crimes against civilians, they'd dwarf all Muslims combined.

User Info: axelfooley2k5

axelfooley2k5
7 months ago#58
Stonedwolfed posted...
axelfooley2k5 posted...
we have a white nationalist president who wouldn't condemn a kid who plowed through a crowd with his challenger he wouldn't declare that as terrorism......think about that that was terrorism


It's a good topic to make but not a good response to this quite different topic.


ok

here ya go
axelfooley2k5 posted...
I think think you all are being a bit literal

this whole topic is out of line because education means nothing...that is one subset of who you are as a person

she would like to think a more educated person would have more morals......but when she says education I think she is talking about a grounding in reality

she is talking about people being aware of what is factual and what isn't
common sense logic and all around respectable humanity is what we are missing

common human decency is eroding
LESS CONTACT BETWEEN RICH AND POOR_MORE HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE POOR_INDUSTRIES THAT EXPLOIT FEAR_MORE LAWS THAT EXPLOIT FEAR_MORE FEAR IN THE MEDIA__MORE FEAR__

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axelfooley2k5
7 months ago#59
and shame on you all



Is this where you wanna be when Jesus comes back, makin fun of poor little Malala?
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bshwalker
7 months ago#60
axelfooley2k5 posted...
I think think you all are being a bit literal

this whole topic is out of line because education means nothing...that is one subset of who you are as a person

she would like to think a more educated person would have more morals......but when she says education I think she is talking about a grounding in reality

she is talking about people being aware of what is factual and what isn't
common sense logic and all around respectable humanity is what we are missing

common human decency is eroding


I agree with this.
An "education" based on taking classes, passing a test, and receiving a title is not what she's talking about.
She's talking about being grounded in reality. Being educated in real life, not man made structures of success.
In fact, it is the belief that educated is gauged by success in man made structures of success that is the problem.
It produces a false sense of intelligence.
That's called arrogance.
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