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User Info: Sativa_Rose

Sativa_Rose
3 years ago#141
Nicodaemos posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
The militia. The Second Amendment was created because a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. So average citizens need to be able to own the arms that they would use if they would need to form a militia, which certainly includes full auto.

The firearms used by the infantry in the US Army and the US Marine Corps are a good indication of what kinds of weapons civilians should be allowed to own, as that is what they would need for militia purposes. This includes some fully automatic weapons, like the M4 and the M249 SAW.


f*** outta here. It'd be slightly less asinine to discuss already existing and well-regulated militias being able to obtain full-auto weapons, because it's not like well-regulated militias just can't exist without them.

But to do that, we'd have to pretend that the "well-regulated militia" section of the 2A isn't a complete f***ing meme and always will be.


Militias that already exist aren't on the books anywhere. They don't have a militia permit or anything like that. A militia is just a group of men (though I am sure women are included too these days) who train with their own firearms to be ready in case of some kind of invasion, tyranny, or other reason they would need to defend their homelands.
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User Info: Roll-of-Shame

Roll-of-Shame
3 years ago#142
I'm sorry, but they're men and women who got bored with their foam swords.

User Info: Nicodaemos

Nicodaemos
3 years ago#143
Sativa_Rose posted...
Militias that already exist aren't on the books anywhere. They don't have a militia permit or anything like that. A militia is just a group of men (though I am sure women are included too these days) who train with their own firearms to be ready in case of some kind of invasion, tyranny, or other reason they would need to defend their homelands.


Then where's the fulfillment of the "well-regulated" clause?

Roll-of-Shame posted...
I'm sorry, but they're men and women who got bored with their foam swords.


And that.
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User Info: crillgamer

crillgamer
3 years ago#144
With weapon advancement we may reach a point where a well formed militia won't amount to much, if we're not already there yet. I'm more in the camp of Grandma and Grandpa being able to defend themselves from home invasion. But not with uzis.
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User Info: XxAxem_BlackxX

XxAxem_BlackxX
3 years ago#145
Sativa_Rose posted...
The proposal:

- Gun ownership now requires a gun license, getting the gun license is like getting a driver's license, you have to take a test to prove your competency + knowledge of the laws and pass a background check. The license is presented when you are purchasing guns, and the guns will be registered with their owner.

- The National Firearms Act is amended to ensure that civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled or "sawed off" rifles and shotguns, silencers/suppressors, and various types of ammunition (armor piercing, hollow point, etc.) are protected.

- A federal concealed carry license is created that has jurisdiction throughout the entire US, overriding any state or local laws attempting to prohibit concealed carry.


Gun licenses are pointless. The reason we force people to get driver's licenses is to make sure people know how to drive a car and so they know what the rules of the road are. Using a gun is much less complicated than driving a car and gun laws are pretty much common sense that everyone should know whereas driving laws are not. If you don't already know that you're not supposed to leave a 5 year old alone with a loaded gun then you're a Darwin award waiting to happen honestly.

User Info: uthoria205

uthoria205
3 years ago#146
Sativa_Rose posted...
The proposal:

- Gun ownership now requires a gun license, getting the gun license is like getting a driver's license, you have to take a test to prove your competency + knowledge of the laws and pass a background check. The license is presented when you are purchasing guns, and the guns will be registered with their owner.

- The National Firearms Act is amended to ensure that civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled or "sawed off" rifles and shotguns, silencers/suppressors, and various types of ammunition (armor piercing, hollow point, etc.) are protected.

- A federal concealed carry license is created that has jurisdiction throughout the entire US, overriding any state or local laws attempting to prohibit concealed carry.


Ok with part 1. Part 2 is a no because fully automatic weapons and silencers have no place in civil society. Part 3 is unconstitutional (the 2nd amendment allows for gun ownership, but is silent on concealment so that is left to the States)
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User Info: XxAxem_BlackxX

XxAxem_BlackxX
3 years ago#147
uthoria205 posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
The proposal:

- Gun ownership now requires a gun license, getting the gun license is like getting a driver's license, you have to take a test to prove your competency + knowledge of the laws and pass a background check. The license is presented when you are purchasing guns, and the guns will be registered with their owner.

- The National Firearms Act is amended to ensure that civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons, short barreled or "sawed off" rifles and shotguns, silencers/suppressors, and various types of ammunition (armor piercing, hollow point, etc.) are protected.

- A federal concealed carry license is created that has jurisdiction throughout the entire US, overriding any state or local laws attempting to prohibit concealed carry.


Ok with part 1. Part 2 is a no because fully automatic weapons and silencers have no place in civil society. Part 3 is unconstitutional (the 2nd amendment allows for gun ownership, but is silent on concealment so that is left to the States)


Automatic guns aren't that effective when it comes to killing a lot of targets. The police don't use them and the military only use them for suppressing fire because they're wildly inaccurate and hard to control, even for experienced professionals. A mass shooter would be much better off using a semi-auto rifle than they would an automatic weapon. While we're at it, silencers aren't actually silent. They just make a bit less noise than normal and a person could make their own if they really wanted to.

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Roll-of-Shame
3 years ago#148
XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Gun licenses are pointless. The reason we force people to get driver's licenses is to make sure people know how to drive a car and so they know what the rules of the road are. Using a gun is much less complicated than driving a car and gun laws are pretty much common sense that

Bullllllllls***.

This reasoning is what leads to those people (even instructors) who forget the 4 rules of gun safety and make all gun owners look like they're juggling flaming bowling pins just by carrying one. All the idiots behind the well is a case against preaching the more "legal" gun owners the better.

User Info: themastah

themastah
3 years ago#149
Im ok with numbers 1 and 3, not #2
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