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User Info: Baha05

Baha05
1 week ago#31
Dumb-Fumbler posted...
There’s a more consumer friendly way of doing it.
The other person needs to buy the system from Nintendo to actually achieve this, not only do Nintendo get profits from the games themselves (1/3) they also get profit from people buying their systems. Pokémon isn’t called a “System Seller” for no reason.

I mean not really because by the end of the day you are trading between two games period.

And really the fact of the matter is that this by no means is a scummy design since the differences between versions is really minimal that you could buy either version and its basically the same experience, and if this was truly as scummy as people try to make it out they dont itilize it in the best way possible

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User Info: Dumb-Fumbler

Dumb-Fumbler
1 week ago#32
Baha05 posted...
I mean not really because by the end of the day you are trading between two games period.
That requires another Nintendo system. We’ve established this. You can’t trade with someone else unless you have the Nintendo system. Pokémon encourages the purchase of systems, it’s a system seller.
And really the fact of the matter is that this by no means is a scummy design since the differences between versions is really minimal that you could buy either version and its basically the same experience, and if this was truly as scummy as people try to make it out they dont itilize it in the best way possible
They are literally locking content behind another version that you can’t access unless someone pays for the other version of the game and another system if they don’t have one.

They are literally locking Palkia from being caught in Pokémon diamond, you need some other game that has it in the wild natively to actually catch Palkia. This is not an opinion this is a fact. You must buy Pokémon Pearl if you want to catch Pokémon and have it in Pokémon Diamond. It’s impossible to have the rare 1 per save file Pokémon unless you get it from other people that also have to buy the Pokémon games of the opposite version or use an illegal hack to get access to Palkia in Pokémon Diamond where you can catch it.

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User Info: Baha05

Baha05
1 week ago#33
Which again goes back to the point of trading, that is entirely why this is deigned like this. It by no means is a scummy practice in terms of game design.
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User Info: Lizuka

Lizuka
1 week ago#34
Another thing that goes against the excuse that it's just to incentivize trading - they keep putting in extra features besides that. The exclusive gym leaders in BW and SwSh, the Black City & White Forest mess, the titular Pikachu and Eevee in the Let's Go games (which can't even be traded), the trials in SM, Reversal Mountain in BW2, the different routes in BW2, the story differences in RS, XY, and USUM....

If they weren't trying to sell people on both games then they wouldn't be actively providing reasons to play both games. Not to mention that they sell these games in dual packs now.

User Info: Baha05

Baha05
1 week ago#35

Lizuka posted...
Another thing that goes against the excuse that it's just to incentivize trading - they keep putting in extra features besides that. The exclusive gym leaders in BW and SwSh, the Black City & White Forest mess, the titular Pikachu and Eevee in the Let's Go games (which can't even be traded), the trials in SM, the story differences in RS, XY, and USUM....

If they weren't trying to sell people on both games then they wouldn't be actively providing reasons to play both games. Not to mention that they sell these games in dual packs now.
For starters dual parks can be pretty much argued in favor of buying it to split between two people and not one go.

secondly the differences are just so small that its not losing really anything if you choose one version over the other you are getting pretty much the same experience with slight difference
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User Info: Dumb-Fumbler

Dumb-Fumbler
1 week ago#36
Baha05 posted...
Which again goes back to the point of trading, that is entirely why this is deigned like this. It by no means is a scummy practice in terms of game design.
A design choice can be scummy. Yes trading was what they had in mind, but they executed it in a way that requires someone else or the player themselves to buy the other game and the other system. You cannot trade with yourself.

Wanna know another scummy thing they did? There exists an in-game trade within Pokémon that a person in snowpoint trades you a Haunter holding an everstone who cannot evolve. They do not want you to trade with yourself, they want you to trade with other people. They want other games to be bought.

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DementedDurian
1 week ago#37
People are arguing. I better do something.

...

Yap! Yap! Yap! *growls* (Lowers Attack by one stage) *snarls* (Lowers Sp. Attack by one stage) *makes a noble roar* (Lowers Attack and Sp. Attack by one stage) *explodes* (Everything now covered in soot).
You can pick your battles, and you can pick your nose. But you can't pick your battle's nose.

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Aiolia
1 week ago#38
Nabinator posted...
I have never seen franchise fans defend a sequel's lack of features (or cutting of features) along a lack of innovation like I have with Pokemon. It's so weird, people are content with the bare minimum. Most IPs don't get away with this s***.
Its really disturbing that’s for sure

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bd43
1 week ago#39
Dumb-Fumbler posted...
There’s a more consumer friendly way of doing it. They can literally give the players options,

“Are you playing as Sword or as Shield?”

“As Shield? Ok you will be playing Pokémon Shield throughout the whole playthrough, are you sure this is what you want?”

“If you want to play as sword, you must reset all your progress, are you sure you want to continue? You won’t be able to access your data from shield and it will be deleted”

“Remember to store any Pokémon into the Pokémon storage system known as Pokémon Now Home to keep all your Pokémon and bring them with you into future play throughs!”

They already have the storage system in place, that’s 5 dollars a year for 3MB if storage.
The other person needs to buy the system from Nintendo to actually achieve this, not only do Nintendo get profits from the games themselves (1/3) they also get profit from people buying their systems. Pokémon isn’t called a “System Seller” for no reason.

I'd actually argue this methodology is less consumer friendly at this stage.

Don't get me wrong, it would have been a good play in Gens 1-4, some coding and space questions aside. But all it eliminates is branding opportunities at this point. It doesn't convince people that they shouldn't get the items to trade themselves all the pokemon in the game.

And these games even offer more catch methods for a majority of the pokemon you have to trade to evolve.
Thinking is overrated. Like Pants.

User Info: Baha05

Baha05
1 week ago#40
Dumb-Fumbler posted...
A design choice can be scummy. Yes trading was what they had in mind, but they executed it in a way that requires someone else or the player themselves to buy the other game and the other system. You cannot trade with yourself.

Wanna know another scummy thing they did? There exists an in-game trade within Pokémon that a person in snowpoint trades you a Haunter holding an everstone who cannot evolve. They do not want you to trade with yourself, they want you to trade with other people. They want other games to be bought.

Yes a design can be scummy I never argued against that I am just saying that the trade and two separate versions is not scummy.

Also as assholy the Haunter trade was Haunter isnt exactly an exclusive so you dont need the opposite game

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