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User Info: Tom Clark

Tom Clark
1 week ago#11
Nath1343 posted...
Is this a confirmed caveat or is it just a made-up board rule?

Many new precedents have been set for Ultimate so far.

It's (I believe) the only rule that has come from Sakurai himself.
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User Info: UnrealityMod

UnrealityMod
1 week ago#12
StrongerDoggo posted...
witcher is overhyped
my dog can write better stories
and you know what
the writer of the books is an a******
he hates the games but praises the series
the series is based on the games more than the book as evident by the personalities of the characters being way different than in the books
and he loves the series
his reason for hating the games was the alteration of characters
he hates games so he doesn't deserve his self insert into mythology world to be in any game tbh

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Red_Rosemon
1 week ago#13
Thankfully the witcher started as a book series.
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epik_fail1
1 week ago#14
Tom Clark posted...
It's (I believe) the only rule that has come from Sakurai himself.

Yeah... Sakurai officially said it. But game Geralt is non canon to the book just like Dracula is non canon to the book Dracula.
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P1GM4N
1 week ago#15
epik_fail1 posted...
Yeah... Sakurai officially said it. But game Geralt is non canon to the book just like Dracula is non canon to the book Dracula.
Dracula is a public domain character that had a loosely adapted version of himself that’s unique only to Castlevania, he’s Dracula in name only at this point because Soma Cruz or the Belmonts sure as hell weren’t in Bram Stoker’s novel.

Geralt is a licensed character that’s a nigh 1:1 adaptation of the Geralt from the books. Sure the author dismissed the game’s canonicity to his books due to his saltiness, but the opposite isn’t true as the games treat the books as canon.

EDIT: or at the very least the Witcher games are extremely faithful to the books, unlike Castlevania which throws everything out the window with the Belmonts and Soma Cruz.
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FFnut
1 week ago#16
epik_fail1 posted...
Yeah... Sakurai officially said it. But game Geralt is non canon to the book just like Dracula is non canon to the book Dracula.

Game Goku is also non-canon to manga Goku and anime Goku. (Game) Goku for Smash!

While the games aren't canon to the books in your examples, the books are still canon to the games. "Game Geralt" still experienced the events of the books - hell, half of the quests in the games are direct consequences of what happened in the books. Similarly, the events of the novel Dracula happened in the Castlevania timeline.

P1GM4N posted...
he’s Dracula in name only at this point because Soma Cruz or the Belmonts sure as hell weren’t in Bram Stoker’s novel.

That's because even in Castlevania lore there were no active Belmonts in the 1890s (when the novel takes place) and Soma Cruz wasn't born until 2017.

There's no mention of Midna or a Twilight Realm in Ocarina of Time, does that mean that Twilight Princess isn't part of the Zelda canon?
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1 week ago#17
FFnut posted...
That's because even in Castlevania lore there were no active Belmonts in the 1890s (when the novel takes place) and Soma Cruz wasn't born until 2017.
There was an active Belmont of sorts during this time period and he fended off Dracula in 1897, His name was Quincy Morris. While he bears a different surname Castlevania’s Morris family are an off-shoot of the Belmonts meaning that he’s worthy of the Vampire Killer.

The events of Stoker’s novel are inspirations and odd parallels at best with Castlevania’s lore due to a few dozen or so contradictions, such as:
  1. Dracula being defeated by Morris in 1897 instead of 93.
  2. Dracula being the product of the entity known as Chaos.
  3. Leon Belmont’s involvement in Dracula’s origin.
  4. Van Helsing being AWOL from just about every piece of Castlevania media.


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laststarman237
1 week ago#18
Yuck

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Blayshy
1 week ago#19
FFnut posted...
Game Goku is also non-canon to manga Goku and anime Goku. (Game) Goku for Smash!

While the games aren't canon to the books in your examples, the books are still canon to the games. "Game Geralt" still experienced the events of the books - hell, half of the quests in the games are direct consequences of what happened in the books. Similarly, the events of the novel Dracula happened in the Castlevania timeline.

That's because even in Castlevania lore there were no active Belmonts in the 1890s (when the novel takes place) and Soma Cruz wasn't born until 2017.

There's no mention of Midna or a Twilight Realm in Ocarina of Time, does that mean that Twilight Princess isn't part of the Zelda canon?
Not even comparable.
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FFnut
1 week ago#20
P1GM4N posted...
There was an active Belmont of sorts during this time period and he fended off Dracula in 1897, His name was Quincy Morris. While he bears a different surname Castlevania’s Morris family are an off-shoot of the Belmonts meaning that he’s worthy of the Vampire Killer.

Fair enough, I mainly was referring to the fact that the active hunter didn't actually bear the name "Belmont". But as you say, there was a "Belmont" of sorts who actually was in the novel.

P1GM4N posted...
a few dozen or so contradictions, such as:

1. Dracula being defeated by Morris in 1897 instead of 93.

2. Dracula being the product of the entity known as Chaos.

3. Leon Belmont’s involvement in Dracula’s origin.

4. Van Helsing being AWOL from just about every piece of Castlevania media.

2, 3, and 4 are all not actually contradictions. Nothing in the novel precludes Chaos being the source of Dracula's power, nor does the story of Mathais Cronqvist (Leon's contemporary who would become Dracula) contradict anything in the book. The book is extraordinarily vague regarding Dracula's past, really only ever defining him as having been "an alchemist, soldier, and statesman" in life - all definitions that apply to Mathais. As for Van Helsing, he was again a man who was only relevant during a time period where no Castlevania game takes place. I wouldn't expect him to be mentioned in a Castlevania game set outside of thr 1890's any more than I'd expect Israel Putnam (a Revolutionary War general) to be mentioned in a textbook about World War II.

Point 1, the year, would certainly be a contradiction - except the year isn't actually mentioned anywhere in the book. I'm not really sure where the idea that it's set in 1893 specifically comes from.

But even if there is proof that they got the year wrong, it's not the first time Castlevania has played fast and loose with exact year numbers - 1999 is Dracula's next resurrection a hundred years after 1897, for example. At worst I'd consider it a retcon, which doesn't break canon.

Anyway, here's how 2/3/4 apply to the Zelda series, so you can see how consequential they are to determining whether or not something should be considered canon:

2. Ocarina of Time never mentions that Ganondorf is the product of Demise's hatred.

3. ALttP doesn't mention OoT Link's involvement in Ganon's origin.

4. Ezlo is AWOL from just about every piece of Zelda media outside of Minish Cap itself (the one work he definitively appears in).

Blayshy posted...
Not even comparable.

Why not? The Belmont clan was introduced in works that were created after the novel, even though they predate the novel in their timeline. The Twilight Realm was introduced in a work that was created after Ocarina of Time, even though the Dark Interlopers were sealed into that Twilight Realm while the golden goddesses were still around, which means it existed long before OoT takes place. How is the Twilight Realm not being mentioned in OoT a different situation than the Belmont family name not being mentioned in Dracula?
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