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Robin_Mask
3 weeks ago#51
WarGreymon77 posted...
I believe this is what they wanted. It's one thing to pass the torch, but these movies just sloppily killed off everyone. Luke took the biggest hit in character derailment. I'm still bitter over him not marrying Mara Jade, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, the one character they left alive is the one whose actress died in real life. Coincidence?
Yep, all that melodrama that MCU was building up with was already shown with Star Wars.
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WarGreymon77 posted...
Anyway, the one character they left alive is the one whose actress died in real life. Coincidence?
Sharp irony... pierces hubris.

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DarkDragon456 posted...
What exactly was wrong with them killing off Han Solo?
Absolutely nothing, of course. Among the best scenes in the whole trilogy of trilogies.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
You know who's really to blame?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/5/9/AABJX0AAAbgT.jpg

He was actually the culprit in one episode. And the only time when the gang didn't suspect it was him.

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Toonstrack
3 weeks ago#55
Robin_Mask posted...
To be honest, there isn't the same feeling in the sequels that the originals and prequels and Rogue One have.

Just ANH alone having the mysticism of The Force was a huge theme that stuck around for the Lucas films. Rogue One did their own thing but you could see the effort being there on not being the same thing without Skywalkers. Seeing TFA and there wasn't anything worth noting that it brought to the table nor kept with the themes. They just feel like cash grabs and nothing else.

The prequels abandoned all mysticism in exchange for pod racing and Jar Jar to sell toys....

and TLJ returned to it more so than any film since ESB.

What are you talking about?? Say what you will about TLJ but it is undeniable fact that RJ loves everything about star wars and imbued as much of that as possible. You cannot watch scenes like Yoda scene with Luke and not feel that

Your complaints are all completely arbitrary and immaterial. TLJ and TFA feels more like a star wars movie than any of the prequels precisely because of its themes and how much it focuses on characters rather than events.

Kylo Ren conflict before killing his father has more depth to it than anything Anakin did in the prequels.
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Lord of Nightmares posted...
He was actually the culprit in one episode. And the only time when the gang didn't suspect it was him.
I should re-watch some of it sometime. There aren't that many "funny" cartoons from that period that I remember with genuine fondness - ain't nobody give a s*** about Fantastic Max or Don Coyote or ALF The Animated Series - but I definitely recall that one being genuinely fun.
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Robin_Mask
3 weeks ago#57
Toonstrack posted...
The prequels abandoned all mysticism in exchange for pod racing and Jar Jar to sell toys....

and TLJ returned to it more so than any film since ESB.

What are you talking about?? Say what you will about TLJ but it is undeniable fact that RJ loves everything about star wars and imbued as much of that as possible. You cannot watch scenes like Yoda scene with Luke and not feel that

Your complaints are all completely arbitrary and immaterial. TLJ and TFA feels more like a star wars movie than any of the prequels precisely because of its themes and how much it focuses on characters rather than events.

Kylo Ren conflict before killing his father has more depth to it than anything Anakin did in the prequels.
Even though the prequels weren't as good as the originals, they still had good themes. Not done as well either, but at least they showed how Anakin became Vader, which is still at least decent. How Palpatine rose to power and manipulated him was good too.

Don't give a s*** about RJ, he still did a terrible Star Wars film like it was some standalone movie and that didn't help matters. No one gave a s*** and just wanted to cash in on the brand itself with no effort.

The characters were tied to the events in the originals and prequels. Luke became confident and even through doubt still became a Jedi. Anakin trying to help but instead committed atrocities and errors and manipulated. Obi-Wan and Yoda being masters and living with their failure and banking on Luke to save the day, yeah, I know, twins, but let's face it, Leia got nothing in ROTJ. All this shaped how Palpatine and the Empire rose and then fell. There is nothing with the sequels that connect them besides forcing the events on the characters. We have the third hero in a row of trying to get out of a desert planet...

Get out of here with s*** exaggerations, Kylo has more depth than Anakin? Bulls***. We see Anakin be a slave, believing in becoming a hero, freeing the other slaves, "saving Padme" because of his dream, and becoming a Jedi Master. We see all the struggles and how he fails in all of them. He wasn't just some villain who wanted to wear a black suit. Kylo? We just get bulls*** backup besides the flashback. We never saw anything else. Oh yeah, he's the leader of the Knights of Ren and that he's a trio kid. We fail to see his skills since he got shot by a bowcaster that was all this "super badass sends troopers flying" and magically, doesn't do that to him. We finally see both the kids at least do something in TLJ. Didn't see IX and probably won't considering how it's the most hated film in the entire franchise that's over 40 years old.

Rogue One with just being a one-off film did a s*** ton more, we see how terrible the lives are in the galaxy besides Luke and Anakin. The Galactic Civil War has taken a toll on everyone. That the Rebels aren't just these perfect group of good two-shoes at all. Cassian has always been involved in the war since prequel days and has known nothing else. Rey's life has been miserable since she was a child and dislikes how both sides have ruined her own life and still f***ed it up more in the movie. That's proper world-building and depth to characters. Which the Lucas films showed more due to being trilogies and not just one film.

The worst detail is knowing that the sequels were done on the fly and no master plan was set. So who the f*** knows what we should have gotten overall. Rey's parents were a waste anyway, Palpatine returning was a bulls*** pleasing move, and the effort just wasn't there. Ironically, RJ put in effort in doing his own thing... which didn't help considering how the Rebels were decimated at the end of TLJ and it really felt like there shouldn't be much besides a real big time skip.
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WarGreymon77
3 weeks ago#58
TFA is easily my least favorite, and honestly it's due to the treatment of the New Republic and the Imperial remnant. There's no way in hell that the New Republic should be the underdog that they are in this movie. And they're replaced with "the resistance", which is nearly wiped out in TLJ. All by this powerful-for-no-reason "rogue faction", the First Order. It doesn't make sense. And then there's the lack of Jedi... It's like these movies took everything ROTJ set up and s*** on it, all for a big reset. Basically "Let's get it back to Rebels vs. Empire at any cost."
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Robin_Mask
3 weeks ago#59
WarGreymon77 posted...
TFA is easily my least favorite, and honestly it's due to the treatment of the New Republic and the Imperial remnant. There's no way in hell that the New Republic should be the underdog that they are in this movie. And they're replaced with "the resistance", which is nearly wiped out in TLJ. All by this powerful-for-no-reason "rogue faction", the First Order. It doesn't make sense. And then there's the lack of Jedi... It's like these movies took everything ROTJ set up and s*** on it, all for a big reset. Basically "Let's get it back to Rebels vs. Empire at any cost."
When in doubt, just reset everything for maximum nostalgia.
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Toonstrack
3 weeks ago#60
Robin_Mask posted...
Even though the prequels weren't as good as the originals, they still had good themes. Not done as well either, but at least they showed how Anakin became Vader, which is still at least decent. How Palpatine rose to power and manipulated him was good too.

None of those are "themes". Those are occurrences.

And Palpatine manipulating anakin is given maybe 15 minutes of screen time. He goes from literslly saying killing a defenseless person is against the jedi way to murdering actual defenseless children and saying the jedi are evil literally within 10 minutes onscreen. You cannot defend this.

Don't give a s*** about RJ, he still did a terrible Star Wars film like it was some standalone movie and that didn't help matters. No one gave a s*** and just wanted to cash in on the brand itself with no effort.

The characters were tied to the events in the originals and prequels. Luke became confident and even through doubt still became a Jedi. Anakin trying to help but instead committed atrocities and errors and manipulated. Obi-Wan and Yoda being masters and living with their failure and banking on Luke to save the day, yeah, I know, twins, but let's face it, Leia got nothing in ROTJ. All this shaped how Palpatine and the Empire rose and then fell. There is nothing with the sequels that connect them besides forcing the events on the characters. We have the third hero in a row of trying to get out of a desert planet...

Ummm.... both the main hero and villain are literally connected directly to the characters of the OT both literslly and thematically, with the characters of the OT being likewise affected by the events of those characters. You literally list a thematic similarity whilst trying to argue there's no connection. Do you think it was an accident they placed Rey on a desert planet?

Get out of here with s*** exaggerations, Kylo has more depth than Anakin? Bulls***. We see Anakin be a slave, believing in becoming a hero, freeing the other slaves, "saving Padme" because of his dream, and becoming a Jedi Master. We see all the struggles and how he fails in all of them. He wasn't just some villain who wanted to wear a black suit. Kylo? We just get bulls*** backup besides the flashback. We never saw anything else. Oh yeah, he's the leader of the Knights of Ren and that he's a trio kid. We fail to see his skills since he got shot by a bowcaster that was all this "super badass sends troopers flying" and magically, doesn't do that to him. We finally see both the kids at least do something in TLJ. Didn't see IX and probably won't considering how it's the most hated film in the entire franchise that's over 40 years old.

Yea. We see kylo show more depth in 5 minutes of ROTS AND the han scene in TFA than Anakin does the entire trilogy. Anakin has no struggle other than trying to get into a girl's pants and whining about not being given a promotion. That's literally his entrie struggle for the first 2.5 films. And that's handled terribly as well. He shows zero conflict, he is fully on the side of the jedi on one instant and 5 minutes later is full on loyal sith lord . Oh except when his mom dies who we are supposed to care about after 5 minites of screen time.

And Padme who was supposedly so important? He chokes the b out right before trying to murder his "brother" literally... for no real reason. His shift got no depth until clone wars came around. We know hes angry but we really don't know what he's angry at.. You keep listing events that happen, but things happening doesn't automatically equate to depth. They are just shallow lifeless events. Anakin doesn't even seem to be that sad as a kid on Tattooine. Werr told he is but we aren't shown anything concrete.

Rogue One with just being a one-off film did a s*** ton more, we see how terrible the lives are in the galaxy besides Luke and Anakin. The Galactic Civil War has taken a toll on everyone. That the Rebels aren't just these perfect group of good two-shoes at all. Cassian has always been involved in the war since prequel days and has known nothing else. Rey's life has been miserable since she was a child and dislikes how both sides have ruined her own life and still f***ed it up more in the movie. That's proper world-building and depth to characters. Which the Lucas films showed more due to being trilogies and not just one film.

Noth of those characters had better arcs than any of the mains in the PT. Obi Wan is litsrslly just there, he goes through no onscreen changes or shifts. His master dies but we are never even led to believe they were close. They act like business partners not friends. When anakin grows he spends the entire second movie antagonizing him and then we are to believe by the third film they are like brothers.

No, you don't get to just do that, especially not when their bond is supposed to be the fulcrum of the trilogy. Every trilogy has a relationship at its center. The OT has Luke and his father define the entire story. The ST has Rey and Ben. The PT is SUPPOSED to be Obi Wan and Anakin but it's not. It's about more CGI clone army and people sitting at tables for the first TWO FILMS.

The worst detail is knowing that the sequels were done on the fly and no master plan was set. So who the f*** knows what we should have gotten overall. Rey's parents were a waste anyway, Palpatine returning was a bulls*** pleasing move, and the effort just wasn't there. Ironically, RJ put in effort in doing his own thing... which didn't help considering how the Rebels were decimated at the end of TLJ and it really felt like there shouldn't be much besides a real big time skip.

The Rebels are literally always decimated or at the underdog level. I agree RJ tried a lot more than Abrams did but the OT films weren't all planned out in full detail either they had an outline at best. The PT is fully planned, and STILL manages to flop immensely, with characters literally just being moved like game board pieces into where they need to be for the OT to happen within the last 10 minutes of the movie. No effort was put into making the shift cohesive.

Yoda literally just up and says "yo ima head out to dagobah" and Vader... we talked about him. Padme dies in a BS fashion, because she has to, but not before she pops out 2 kids which obi wanna decides to watch over...

Such a shallow resolution that they are literally able to fit an entire TV show, nay, an entire sub era of media and storytelling in between the two trilogies to fill the gaps, which is what we are getting.
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