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User Info: Ridelwofr

Ridelwofr
1 month ago#1
Far From Home isn't a Spider-Man story. It's an Avengers/Iron Man epilogue.

It felt like the whole point of this movie was to ease the audience back into the MCU post-Endgame.

Where did this in-universe premise of there needing to be someone to take Iron Man's place come from? Am I lead to believe that Falcon, Bucky, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, flapping Scarlet Witch, etc, can't deal with "Avengers level" threats whereas Spider-Man could, despite them being actual Avengers?

Marvel have double downed on what they started in Homecoming and made Spider-Man an Iron-Man sidekick. This is what I imagine a Robin/Nightwing movie would feel like if DC made a Batman spin-off.

The plot was basically done before in Spider-Man 2. Except that movie had emotional depth and audiences could see how being Spider-Man was taking a toll on Peter Parker's life. Toby Maguire's Spider-Man was afraid that being with Mary Jane would put her in danger. It pushed him to the point where he chose he no longer wanted to be Spider-Man. Whereas Tom Holland's Peter Parker was just annoyed that being Spider-Man was interfering with his school trip? There's nothing actually stopping him from just walking up to Zendaya's MJ and simply asking her out. Spider-Man 2 was a dramatic story with some comedy thrown in, while Far From Home is a comedy that tries to be dramatic.

This felt more like Marvel Studios wanting to push Tom Holland as the next RDJ rather than having an actual Spider-Man story to tell. Was there meant to be character development in this film? I honestly couldn't tell whether Peter actually wanted to and became the next Iron Man, or resolved that he didn't need to be.

There's even a scene where Spider-Man carries a shield and hammer. Endgame WAS the homage to a decade of MCU movies. Why do we need a homage to a homage?

Even the action was so-so. There was some cool ideas with Mysterio's illusions and the water elemental looked really slick. But the fight choreography was nothing special; just Spider-Man swinging around big CGI monsters and drones swarming everywhere. Spider-Man 2 had better fight scenes with creative web-slinging.

Even Mysterio felt like a Mandarin copy and the first end credits scene mirrored the first Iron Man's ending. I think even Marvel is afraid they can't make a great Spidey film without leaning on their other movies.

Spider-Man 2 will continue to be remembered as not just a great comic book movie but a great film in general. People will forget about Far From Home once the next few MCU movies come out.

6.5/10.

User Info: ClayGuida

ClayGuida
1 month ago#2
Heh
lolAmerica

User Info: DeMax0

DeMax0
1 month ago#3
So to sum up this s***show of a topic
"Spiderman 2 was better!"
And that's all there is to this.
God am I glad hiding topics is now an option so I don't need to be subjected to these bulls*** all the time.
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User Info: Devilman_Amon

Devilman_Amon
4 weeks ago#4
Spider-Man has always been the center of Marvel Comics. The 'main guy' that started it all and holds everything together.

Because Marvel lacked the foresight into predicting their movie success, they gave the license over to Sony (as well as X-Men over to Fox) and thus had to substitute that guy for someone else once they got their MCU idea down.
That guy was Iron Man.
And RDJ sold the character to millions with his wit and charm.
This carried the MCU series over 20 movies until End Game
In the meantime Sony had the three Raimi movies and the two Andrew Garfield movies.
But neither of them were part of the MCU.

Now with MCU success and ASM2 being a critical disappointment (despite doing 702 million), Sony agreed to work with Marvel Disney so that their next iteration of Spider-Man could do much better financially and critically at the box office.

But because Iron Man was already established as 'that guy' that started it all instead of Spider-Man, and because Sony already showed the public two Spider-Man origin stories, fearing the public would be sick of seeing it yet again, they opted to remove Uncle Ben from the story, and replace him with Tony Stark as the glue that merged Spider-Man with the MCU and father figure/mentor to Parker.
Other changes included a much more diverse cast, completely changing muscular Caucasian jock Flash Thompson to a short and pudgy but rude Indian kid, taking Gwen Stacy completely out of the picture with introducing a new female love interest character being the Vulture's daughter, removing Mary Jane Watson altogether and replacing her with "Michelle Jones", changing Ned's bio and personality altogether, not showing the Osborne's (yet), making J Jonah Jameson a vlogger instead of a newspaper company manager, de-aging Aunt May, and leaving out the origin story altogether. Not to mention giving Parker access to a highly advanced Spider-suit (three of them actually) and a stealth suit. Not to mention becoming an Avenger, fighting other Avengers (Civil War), going to Space, dying and coming back to life to fight an army of aliens, and also getting access to a multi billion dollar global defense system powered by sunglasses. All while still not graduating high school.

And now everyone knows his identity on top of all that.

So yeah a lot has changed and we have yet to see what else is in store for him. We do know Tony is gone and never coming back now so from here on out, so there's still room for the character to grow out of 'being an immature high school sidekick'
but we'll see
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User Info: bobbyrk

bobbyrk
4 weeks ago#5
Devilman_Amon posted...
Because Marvel lacked the foresight into predicting their movie success, they gave the license over to Sony (as well as X-Men over to Fox) and thus had to substitute that guy for someone else once they got their MCU idea down.

That's not what happened at all. They didn't "give" the licenses to Sony and Fox, they sold them in order to prevent bankruptcy.
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User Info: ScrappyDingo

ScrappyDingo
4 weeks ago#6
Ridelwofr posted...
Am I lead to believe that Falcon, Bucky, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, flapping Scarlet Witch, etc, can't deal with "Avengers level" threats whereas Spider-Man could, despite them being actual Avengers?

Yes, apparently. Only Thor and CAPTAIN MARVEL (pls luv) and the Amazing Spider-man are the only heroes in existence who can do s*** or so Peter is led to believe by idiotic Talos and not the actual Fury who'd probably see through Beck instantly.
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User Info: alfred_ashford

alfred_ashford
4 weeks ago#7
They really need to do live action rick and morty with RDJ as rick and tom as morty
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User Info: PStrife

PStrife
4 weeks ago#8
Spider-Man has changed alot, this isn't your gammy's Spider-Man anymore.

User Info: Darth Gecko

Darth Gecko
4 weeks ago#9
What would be the point of making a MCU Spider-Man movie without putting him in the MCU?
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User Info: defauIt

defauIt
4 weeks ago#10
Spider was the biggest superhero next to batman before the disney buyouts

Hes now a jobber because of how big/popular RDJ was

Solution: bring back toby
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