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User Info: Sirk

Sirk
1 week ago#131
Miauv posted...
The Vector Avtech WX8 Hypercar is faster than Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport .... Does it make the bugatti a bad car ?

Yes the lance is the slowest speedrun and NO the lance doesn't suck.
This summarizes the whole "pro-Lance" argument; the whole topic has become muddled by users not addressing the real issue --- that Lance doesn't put out the same damage --- but addressing a strawman that claims Lance is a bad, awful, odious, low-quality class, a position that very few users hold.

And those who criticize using speedruns as the nearest metric we have to judging classes' upper damage output on equal terms, are not providing a better testable metric, so that the whole conversation becomes like arguing with creationists.
It takes both rain and shine to make a rainbow.

User Info: MakotoYuri

MakotoYuri
1 week ago#132
Rhiethreal posted...
I would also like to point out that I only block people who rely on logical fallacies like that. You can disagree with me all day, and I will still engage your argument as long as it is logical and on topic, even if I disagree with it on a fundamental level.
LOL
this coming from Mr."you beat me in an argument so i´m gonna block you cause I am right!"
is Mayonnaise a Jojo reference too?
MakotoYuri posted...
LOL
this coming from Mr."you beat me in an argument so i´m gonna block you cause I am right!"
I mean, even if he was right and people were blocked for fallacies, this right here is what blocking people over arguments looks like.
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We all learn when we lose it.

User Info: king_wallace

king_wallace
1 week ago#134
The only reason I haven’t ignored rhie is because they just take up far too much of the discussions on this board.

I am convinced that they are not an idiot and are arguing in an illogical manner on purpose. But who knows.

I was a chemist.

User Info: Rhiethreal

Rhiethreal
1 week ago#135
Sirk posted...
And those who criticize using speedruns as the nearest metric we have to judging classes' upper damage output on equal terms, are not providing a better testable metric, so that the whole conversation becomes like arguing with creationists.
The better metric is efficiency.
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User Info: Deaga

Deaga
1 week ago#136
I don't think a 6 minute hunt on the second monster you fight in MR while also going freestyle with mantles and ending with a capture is particularly impressive. Of course, this doesn't mean that Lance is garbage either. It just doesn't prove the weapon is super good either.

But if anyone is interested in seeing a fellow GameFAQer absolutely destroy monsters using a Lance, I'd recommend checking out @KCGemini 's runs. They really make Lance shine in a very bright light and the runs are super entertaining to watch, at least in my opinion. Their videos even inspired me to try out Lance for a bit! But unfortunately I couldn't get the hang of it very well, it's a fairly challenging weapon to use.

Here's a super impressive run by them on Gold Rathian. I don't think I ever killed one as fast as this even when going all out with mantles and s***.
https://youtu.be/13KXj1dnV6Q
Shameless self-plug for my MH speedrunning youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/DeASDFga

User Info: Unbound-King

Unbound-King
1 week ago#137
All I know for sure is, I wouldn't mind if Lance's MVs were bumped up a bit.
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User Info: Sirk

Sirk
1 week ago#138
Rhiethreal posted...
The better metric is efficiency.
Can you explain what you mean? Usually speed runs are very efficient.
It takes both rain and shine to make a rainbow.

User Info: Rhiethreal

Rhiethreal
1 week ago#139
Deaga posted...
I don't think a 6 minute hunt on the second monster you fight in MR while also going freestyle with mantles and ending with a capture is particularly impressive. Of course, this doesn't mean that Lance is garbage either. It just doesn't prove the weapon is super good either.
Do speed runners have super fragile egos or something? I said like a hundred times now that it wasn't a speed run.

Sirk posted...
Usually speed runs are very efficient.
Speed runs actually are highly inefficient. It's like if you drive a car at 80 miles and an hour versus something like 40. You get get done quicker but at a much higher amount of fuel used.

https://www.mpgforspeed.com/

Same concept applies to speed runs. In the case of speed runs it applies to things like items used for buffing, vouchers used for eating, time wasted on resets. Etc.
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User Info: Enclosure

Enclosure
1 week ago#140
The better metric is all runs, not cherry picked best rng runs.
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