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GujinKami posted...
Kataphrut posted...
smart, sensible adults

https://twitter.com/Rialisms/status/1095146190260355073

Yes smart, sensible adults threaten to call the police and their lawyers on dozens and dozens of random users on Twitter. That is very smart and sensible :)

She's not gonna be smart or sensible at this particular time in her life. People are attacking her and she is in her inferior mode.
She's lashing out. We'd all feel inclined to do the same thing.

I think it'd be best if everyone just left her alone, but that's not going to happen.
How dare you!
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User Info: GujinKami

GujinKami
1 week ago#172
DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
She's not gonna be smart or sensible at this particular time in her life. People are attacking her and she is in her inferior mode.
She's lashing out. We'd all feel inclined to do the same thing.

I think it'd be best if everyone just left her alone, but that's not going to happen.

SHE'S the one harassing people though lmfao. She's definitely not a victim in this circumstance given how she's acting and how she's initially responded when making the claim.

If she's lying about all this, she's a s*** person. If it's true and she knew about it all these years, she's also a s*** person. She should definitely leave twitter if she's just going to mock people with """""evidence""""" nobody is allowed to see, and threaten to call the police on people who are simply worried and want more information on this debacle.
~Gujin
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GujinKami
1 week ago#173
Also to add onto it, supposedly hard evidence exists. Yet we've yet to see any of it, as Monica is withholding it even after his termination. Why? An extreme divide is still being created amongst the community solely off of accusations that may or may not have any weight. If he is guilty, both her and Funimation are withholding clear cut evidence that can put this s***storm to rest. And if he isn't, all this will do is muddy the careers of all these VA's backing these false claims as well as Funimation as a whole.

The more I've looked into this upon getting home, the more vile it ends up showcasing itself. I really do hope this company gets knocked down several pegs for how unprofessionally they've handled things.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy5oNJ_WsAAv-L3.jpg:large

Seems like this entire thing is a disgusting operation to get Vic out of the industry. Really wish someone in this s***show would just come out and do the right thing.
~Gujin
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ArchonRevan
1 week ago#174
Reasons as to why evidence would likely not be publicized.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LuciaLobosvilla/status/1095111375775502337
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Kataphrut
1 week ago#175
GujinKami posted...
DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
She's not gonna be smart or sensible at this particular time in her life. People are attacking her and she is in her inferior mode.
She's lashing out. We'd all feel inclined to do the same thing.

I think it'd be best if everyone just left her alone, but that's not going to happen.

SHE'S the one harassing people though lmfao. She's definitely not a victim in this circumstance given how she's acting and how she's initially responded when making the claim.

If she's lying about all this, she's a s*** person. If it's true and she knew about it all these years, she's also a s*** person. She should definitely leave twitter if she's just going to mock people with """""evidence""""" nobody is allowed to see, and threaten to call the police on people who are simply worried and want more information on this debacle.


How is she harassing anyone? People are approaching her with this s***, subtweeting her, calling her a bad person on flimsy pretences. All she did was speak out. She wasn't the first, or the last. The only reason people are mad at her specifically is she was the first "prominent" person, meaning the first person they couldn't ignore.

And for the people in the cheap seats: Funimaiton has no obligation to share the details of their investigation to the public. There doesn't need to be a criminal conviction for a person to be fired from a job. And the people involved do not have to share details of these accounts for the benefit of your peanut gallery. Especially when it's been made abundantly clear that NOTHING they say or produce would change your mind.
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GujinKami posted...
Seems like this entire thing is a disgusting operation to get Vic out of the industry. Really wish someone in this s***show would just come out and do the right thing.


It's a done deed, dude. He's lost it all.
I'd say that Funimation acted on good faith and have the evidence you expect to see but won't.
I mean I fire people often enough to know the drill, and it's not like I can just come home, hit a bong, and then tell my wife about it. You sign s***, HR and lawyers (if it gets messy) are involved and you try your hardest to keep neutral and maintain everyone's level of comfort until the bitter end. And when it's all over, no one except the 5-7 people in that room where the last decision is made no the full story. And there is ALWAYS an NDS whenever I fire because of what I do. There'd be an NDS for his firing too. We only know the stuff that was already out.

I don't know the US well. I only have my country to go off. Perhaps Funimation did fire him pre-defensively. Or maybe they work like I've been taught and he just straight up did it and lost his job accordingly.

At this point I'd like to say that I have not once investigated a sexual harassment complaint against a male (or even female!) staff member that has ended up being a lie. Not once in the past 12 years of doing this.
How dare you!

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GujinKami
1 week ago#177
ArchonRevan posted...
Reasons as to why evidence would likely not be publicized.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LuciaLobosvilla/status/1095111375775502337

It isn't hard to blank out names and leave out key information that could tie back to the person. But at this point, unless the police get involved, I can't buy any of this s***. Not with how poorly things are being handled.

Kataphrut posted...
How is she harassing anyone?

People wouldn't be accusing her of harassment if she wasn't harassing people. And given the multitude of deleted messages from both twitter and facebook, it's easy to assume that's what she has partaken in.

But assuming would be extremely hypocritical, and all I can do is judge on how she is acting now. If she were honestly that broken up about the situation and scared, she wouldn't be on twitter, wasting countless hours telling people that she's reported them to the police.

Kataphrut posted...
And for the people in the cheap seats: Funimaiton has no obligation to share the details of their investigation to the public. There doesn't need to be a criminal conviction for a person to be fired from a job.

And that's fine, but then at that point they deserve the obscene amount of backlash that they're getting for this s***. If they refuse to be professional and fire employees solely off of (most likely forged and false) evidence, they deserve to be castrated for ruining a man's career over some trash vendetta she had against him.

From the FACT that we have so far, it's been denied that he's homophobic (obviously) it's been denied that he's anti-semitic (which is disgusting anyone can call someone that in this day and age) and that he's admitted to being a tad more friendly than usual to his fans. (to where we have clear proof of people doctrining false evidence against him through multiple screencaps of slanderous facebook group messages)

And if you dislike this outrage and don't want to be a part of it, simply turn off your computer and walk away, because as long as the accusing party refuses to be even somewhat transparent, this s*** isn't ending anytime soon.
~Gujin
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GujinKami
1 week ago#178
DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
I'd say that Funimation acted on good faith and have the evidence you expect to see but won't.

Despite the only "evidence" we have access to has been found out to of been doctrined and faked just to tarnish his name. There doesn't seem like there's much "good faith" here.
~Gujin
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GujinKami posted...
DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
I'd say that Funimation acted on good faith and have the evidence you expect to see but won't.

Despite the only "evidence" we have access to has been found out to of been doctrined and faked just to tarnish his name. There doesn't seem like there's much "good faith" here.

I think we're past the arguing and outrage and just need to speak about it, man.
I looked at this and it made me realise that both side of the argument need to be better at how we go about communicating our convictions to each other:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Animedubs/comments/anvthm/vic_mignogna_controversy_and_allegations_news_and/

We need to be like that part at the top. It's worth reading the whole thing. It really is quite well balanced for a Reddit discussion. I found flaws in my thinking I'm willing to own in the past four hours (I really did take on some of the less aggressive, Monica Bial hating posts mindfully) and I'd urge the other side to do the same.

At the end of the day, we'd ALL like to live in a world where this s*** doesn't happen. And I think we'd all like to know that we wouldn't take liberties with others once we find our success because our egos are telling us we can do whatever TF we want.
How dare you!

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GujinKami
1 week ago#180
When this thread started, I remained neutral and simply wanted some answers. Roughly 12 hours later, I went hard digging myself and I've only come to the conclusion that Vic may had been too affectionate to his fanbase, and because of it some hateful members of the VA community decided to pin him down and castrate him for it, accusing him of rape and sexual assault and making sure he was terminated at any cost, even if it meant making up fake evidence.

I really did try to look at both sides of the argument, but without enough proper evidence against him, and with too much evidence showcasing that this is just a biased hate mob making their way to ruin another man's life while making a mockery of actual rape victims in the process, I can't see myself seeing this man in the wrong anytime soon. And I seriously don't want to support this trash industry by mucking up the #MeToo hashtag like they have been doing.

If there's any sort of blessing to come out of this, it's that I was raised on subtitles and can understand enough Japanese to where I don't have to bother with this f***ed up group of people.
~Gujin
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