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User Info: aryanbrar

aryanbrar
2 months ago#11
good job tc

its refreshing to see someone actually trying unique stuff instead of being a meta idiot.

reminds me of the my vgc 2016 team which was built around zekrom and soak. soak would turn anything into water type, zekrom nuked anything water
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User Info: Minaru44

Minaru44
2 months ago#12
Yeah, I mean I could just use what everyone uses and do a good job but... that would be boring. While I don't play "professional" (where I can of course understand using what works best), I think I've accumulated enough experience since SM came out (and I dove back into Pokemon since Gen 2) to at least call myself passable. I have constant online tournament records between 26-19 and 29-16 with teams not always just "the best".

I like to tinker with stuff like that and make it at least passable effective.
My biggest success was in the beginning of last year (well, it started in December) where I ran a special defensive Staka with Ally Switch and Wide Guard to get my Kommo-o set up (worked like a charm most of the time since Staka pretty much sponges everything Kommo-o hates). Incineroar bringing Fake Out to nearly every team kinda ruined that but before that happened I pushed that team into 1700range in two consecutive seasons.

I have more than enough vids now, gonna delete the earlier bunch and upload a new one soonish. So, whoever hasn't watched yet, do so.
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User Info: aryanbrar

aryanbrar
2 months ago#13
gamefreak would honestly be stupid not to nerf the tiger cancer, it was fun when only few people had it. now everyone spams it to death.

User Info: Minaru44

Minaru44
2 months ago#14
Defiant Passimian should have been dropped along with Intimidate Incineroar as a natural counter.

That thing is serious fun to play with right now. Unfortunately while AV set can sponge a majority of regular Doubles, it gets too much issues with Fairy Aura-boosted Xerneas etc. to go far in VGC I'm afraid.

And just so everyone knows... From the other threat.

Passimian @ Assault Vest
Jolly Nature
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 20 HP / 4 Atk / 12 Def / 228 SpD / 244 Spe
- Close Combat
- Gunk Shot
- Rock Tomb
- Knock Off

244 Spe let's you outspeed up to neutral (non-Scarf) 252 Spe Lando. You can put these to 252 to speed tie with Venusaur, Blaziken, Mamoswine, Togekiss and Chandelure... but those are so rare, it's not worth it. Granted the points in Def and Atk don't really do much but that's the most efficient without wasting a point.

The given HP / SpD was at maximum measured to withstand...

252+ SpA Ludicolo Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian in Rain: 150-177 (84.2 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Overheat vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian in Sun: 157-186 (88.2 - 104.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian in Electric Terrain: 69-82 (38.7 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian in Electric Terrain: 135-159 (75.8 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 134-158 (75.2 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 132+ SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 144-170 (80.8 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 158-188 (88.7 - 105.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Gardevoir-Mega Psychic vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 150-176 (84.2 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 20 HP / 12 Def Passimian: 81-96 (45.5 - 53.9%) -- 40.2% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Kommo-o Clangorous Soulblaze vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 81-96 (45.5 - 53.9%) -- 40.2% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Kommo-o Clangorous Soulblaze vs. -1 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 120-142 (67.4 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 252+ SpA Kommo-o Clanging Scales vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 72-85 (40.4 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+1 4 Atk Passimian Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kommo-o: 99-117 (66 - 78%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Awkward matchups
Blaziken (CC OHKOs at 50% against fully offense Mega, Flare Blitz can be tanked and the recoil will ensure the OHKO, if Low Kick is used it comes down to luck)
Lando 45-55
Kommo-o: You are faster than Modest but after CSB you are not and CC won't 2HKO while you are screwed after the first drop. It's a good way to get damage in though (especially if you can double-in)
Aegislash (because of King's Shield)
Amoongus (your best bet is to Knock Off the berry and then 2 Gunk Shots... by then you'll be spored though unless you can set ET/MT, then you win)
Mimikyu (borderline to bad, Gunk Shot can't OHKO even after Disguise is broken but you can tank an unboosted Play Rough at least)

Bad Matchups

Cresselia
Salamence
Zapdos
Metagross
Pelipper (you survive a Hurricane but output is meh, best bet is to drop a Rock Tomb)
Mawilie (though if it drops an Intimidate on you first, you can do some good damage with CCC)

It's crazy... and Gunk Shot alone can wreck major mayhem (even without a boost) to anything Fairy.

If you are not concerned with Speed (TR), you can drop those EVs into Attack for even more mayhem.
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User Info: Minaru44

Minaru44
2 months ago#15
There are only a few things from the top tier bunch that can get through this Passimian in one shot. Lele Psychic in terrain or Shattered Psyche even outside and Salamence Aerilate Double-Edge mainly. Some other Z-Moves may as well but so far no one knows what to expect and won't waste a Z-Move on a Passimian.
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User Info: waterdeepchu

waterdeepchu
2 months ago#16
"Modest Tapu Fini @ Iapapa Berry"

"Adamant Landorus @ Groundium Z"

Thing about that is, that's probably as far from unconventional as you could get. That's like every other team.

Go with no legendary Pokemon. That's how you get creative. Legendary pokemon only do one thing well, which saps creativity.

And then you have things like the Amoongus... I don't mean to criticize too hard, but really... these are conventional teams.
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Minaru44
2 months ago#17
+1 132+ SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 144-170 (80.8 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

It depends on the set... But even

+1 252+ SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 228 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 158-188 (88.7 - 105.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

And tell me what Lando would burn a Tectonic Rage into Passimian (at least not right now when relatively few people acknowledge it).

Specs Fini is more of a concern if anything.

Amoongus just needs a Koko/Fini on the team and it becomes helpless.

Or were you talking about my teams? The unconventional is more in the idea behind it there than the members because I certainly haven't seen the kind of thing online in this composition.

Now, for an offensive, low speed twist.

244 Atk with or without Adamant (I have to see if Impish/Careful is more worth it)

244 Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 146-174 (100 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

244 Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 236 HP / 108 Def Tapu Fini: 104-124 (59.4 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 244 Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 236 HP / 108 Def Tapu Fini: 156-184 (89.1 - 105.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

244+ Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 236 HP / 108 Def Tapu Fini: 114-136 (65.1 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 244+ Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 236 HP / 108 Def Tapu Fini: 170-202 (97.1 - 115.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

Non-Adamant Passimian is less awkward but probably more effective on simple 252 HP spreads

244+ Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 220 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 150-178 (85.7 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

+1 244+ Atk Passimian Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 94-111 (57.3 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Plus...

+1 244+ Atk Passimian Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 87-102 (53 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Granted that does not work on Groundium Z, so make sure you know it's Scarfed or you have to do two CCs.

244 Atk Passimian Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 212-252 (104.9 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So, even without a boost!

244+ Atk Passimian Rock Tomb vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 176-208 (110.6 - 130.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Holy crap...

+1 244+ Atk Passimian Rock Tomb vs. 204 HP / 124 Def Zapdos: 106-126 (55.4 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Wow...

+1 244+ Atk Passimian Rock Tomb vs. 116 HP / 4 Def Salamence-Mega: 86-102 (46.4 - 55.1%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO

IF you can get a Fake Out/Follow Me play going or present Salamence a juicer target...

244+ Atk Passimian Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 85-102 (54.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

while...

252 Atk Metagross Iron Head vs. -1 20 HP / 12 Def Passimian: 114-135 (64 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If you are +1 you can use Knock Off for a 2HKO... just hope it doesn't have Zen Headbutt, you are likely to live out of terrain though

244+ Atk Passimian Rock Tomb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 72-86 (52.9 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Gunk Shot works too but Rock Tomb is more accurate

+1 244+ Atk Passimian Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 132-156 (84 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Not quite but if you can catch it on the switch it's a OHKO, otherwise use something else first if you can stall it for one turn.

If you are too concerned about Megagross and Mawlie you can always run Earthquake.

I think this may very well be worth dropping Speed. It gives you chances against almost every bad matchup. I'd say Adamant for the 2HKO on Lando, even though it is kinda awkward with Fini.

It's not like Tyranitar will take you down immediately (in fact it will probably Protect or switch out). The only problem is losing speed advantage over Fini.
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User Info: Minaru44

Minaru44
2 months ago#18
Adamant 244 Atk Passimian COULD run Drain Punch.

+1 244+ Atk Passimian Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 218-258 (107.9 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

But you lose the possibility of 2HKOs for Lando and Megagross. While the health recovery can be useful, the truth is the majority of your hits will come from your coverage moves. Fighting only hits a decent number of top tier threats hard or even neutral... So the recovery will probably be not worth it in most cases.

So far I have only used it in the Smeargle team but with the right kind of support I imagine it can get really monstrous before the opponent realizes what's going on. Have Intimidate support on your own side, hide it behind a Reflect/Light Screen... heck, Baton Pass an accuary or better yet Work Up boost if you can (or use Gravity). Redirection for Lele and Salamence is night impossible since Amoongus can at best serve a one turn stay... which may be enough though. You should probably run your own Lele even if you may rather not have PT up. Since AV can't Protect, better to take Fake Out away completely.
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Minaru44
2 months ago#19
EV adjustments...

If you don't want to gamble on Salamence (which you shouldn't anyway), Lando is the lowest 2HKO. Drop Attack to 188 (which is still a 2HKO) and Def to to 68.

252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 20 HP / 68 Def Passimian: 69-82 (38.7 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 Atk Landorus-Therian Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 20 HP / 68 Def Passimian: 169-199 (94.9 - 111.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

You COULD at least live one. There is the drop after the first CC though.

While Scarf

252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 20 HP / 68 Def Passimian: 76-91 (42.6 - 51.1%) -- 5.5% chance to 2HKO

Knock Off+CC (no drop) with only a thin chance to get KOed

164 Atk / 92 Def makes it a guaranteed 3HKO while you can still 2HKO.

The upside... You land below 75% unboosted against Fini but only...

+1 188+ Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 236 HP / 108 Def Tapu Fini: 164-194 (93.7 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

Everything else still works out.

On the other hand defensively against Salamence...

-1 116+ Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Frustration vs. 20 HP / 68 Def Passimian: 152-182 (85.3 - 102.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

With just 12 Def it's about 60% after an Intimidate.

Defensive uninvested mixed sets can still be 2HKOed with Rock Tomb/Gunk Shot

-1 60 Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Double-Edge vs. 20 HP / 68 Def Passimian: 158-188 (88.7 - 105.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

IF you are concerned about a Modest Charizard Overheat and the slight chance for OHKO, you can shift the Defense values like so.

252+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Overheat vs. 56 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Passimian in Sun: 153-180 (84 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That's rare though. By statistic few Charizards even carry Overheat (I dropped mine for HP Ice to get a lucky shot in on Lando and have better coverage for dragons). And even if they do, I doubt they'll waste one on Passimian.

Specs Fini though

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 56 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 152-182 (83.5 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

You still need to take some more Attack off and drop it in HP to be absolutely sure.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 76 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 152-182 (82.1 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

At +1 you can still one shot 252 HP / 0 Def variants back with this.
On the other hand a Rock Tomb+Gunk Shot play is... relatively low chance, 188 gives you more. If Fini lost some HP already, go for that though. Even without a boost, you get the Speed dropped and then KO.

So...

For the most optimum tweaks.

20 HP / 188 Atk / 68 Def / 228 SpD / 4 Spe (because they'll be wasted everywhere else)
20 HP / 164 Atk / 92 Def / 228 SpD / 4 Spe
76 HP / 164 Atk / 12 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe (lives Max power Specs Fini Moonblast and can OHKO at +1 with Gunk Shot, also lives Modest full SpA Overheat in Sun)

I'd still say either the first or third, which can at least give you a better chance after say a Fake Out.

Phew...

I haven't done so much analysis in a long time.

If someone (who actually has an account there) wants to drop these on Smogon or elswhere, be my guest, just give me credit.
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Minaru44
2 months ago#20
I retract my statement about VGC... Taking the third option.

252 SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 76 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Passimian: 156-186 (84.3 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

While...

+1 164+ Atk Passimian Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Xerneas: 206-244 (102.4 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

That's an immediate scare for the VERY COMMON Xerneas+Incineroar lead. Just have a faster Incineroar or other Fake Out support, a Lele or Tsareena.

Also...

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 76 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Passimian in Rain: 127-150 (68.6 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Of course Moon Series ends today so...

Even max Primal

252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 76 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Passimian in Heavy Rain: 144-171 (77.8 - 92.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Primal Groudon will likely eat you though since that Def is too high, even at +1. You can live a Precipes Blade and get some damage in but that's about it. And there's Ray... Yeah, in Ultra it can at best serve as a Xerneas counter. Again, the release comes too late.

(Edit: I meant Hone Claws in Post 18, not Work Up, because of boosting Accuracy and Attack)
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