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User Info: STEROLIZER

STEROLIZER
1 month ago#31
I gotta say, I don't like the collectivist attitude of social justice warriors. Its like, you are either with them or against them. They preach acceptance and diversity, but not difference in opinions. If you don't conform to their exact beliefs then you become an enemy. Its very "nazi germany" of them.
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User Info: TheJVSquad

TheJVSquad
1 month ago#32
I blame left-wing people that actually enjoy artistic freedom, understand freedom of speech, and things of that nature, but don't speak up about it

SJW's and socialists wouldn't have the lifespan that they do if the left, in general, weren't facilitating s*** like this.
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User Info: 90sNinja

90sNinja
1 month ago#33
From my experience most of the hardcore political banter is online, most people in person will be respectful and if somebody wants to be a jerk you just walk away. It's easy to get caught up in thinking that a page of twitter comments constitutes a movement (especially when news websites are putting out articles that are literally just tweet compilations from absolute nobodies) and I imagine moreso for a corporation that only really gets feedback from comment sections

But in the real world people have more pressing concerns than what goes on in entertainment, which goes both ways, nobody really cares about DOA being more or less sexy, so you just got to be louder online to win whatever issue is grinding your gears. Obviously whatever side can claim to care about a marginalized group and paint their enemies as bigots kinda gets a head start in that department, but hey that's the game (I was trying to be positive and this is starting to sound like a "you can't do anything about DLC" post)
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User Info: Dark Symphony

Dark Symphony
1 month ago#34
bIuerain posted...
Dark Symphony posted...

Martin Shkreli went to jail not because of illegal activities but because he caught the eye of the mob and so people were going to get him


oh yea, I'm sure the fact that he literally committed investment fraud had nothing to do with it. it was all those darn SJWs.

seriously DS, that was probably the stupidest take of your life


You say that because you're defending his guilt which is the mistake people often make when I say things like this and it's why the ruse is so effective.

You didn't even dispute what I said. You didn't say "that's not why." You said other realities were a factor. And there were other contributing factors. But his actual illegal behavior wasn't what led to the investigations against him and that's where the problem is.

Somebody shouldn't be able to commit securities fraud for almost a decade and have it slide because they didn't earn enough public scorn for actual legal (and common) behavior brought to light in front of an audience not informed enough to digest what was happening. People should be arrested because of the things they did.

Hillary Clinton's email gimmick was bad. But that's not why she was brought before congress. She was brought before congreds because she was on the other side of the political isle of some people. That's dumb crap. The actual transgression becomes incidental.

But we let our disdain for the individual diminish that reality. And what does that accomplish? It creates a landscape where public scorn of any significant degree can lead to huge problems for people. You got a decent sized group of people on the internet mad? Prepare for people to try to find SOMETHING to get you.

I don't like George Zimmerman or what he did and his actions should have been unquestionably illegal in my opinion. But state law said they weren't. So his troubles stemmed exclusively from the public spotlight and ire (while similar situations were free to play out with no such consequence while everyone was distracted). And that's no good because we then get used to the feeling that people we don't like should be jailed or sanctioned.

To tie this in tk some of CV's comments, I agree that there a lot of high profile products that don't get sidetracked by professional umbrage takers. But nobody wants to be the small guy taking the heat that gets fired or the one Canadian dude that got arrested for tweeting about someone.

User Info: Armor King 108

Armor King 108
1 month ago#35
He didn't say anything about "social justice warriors" and they are not the only people who complain about the kind of things that he was complaining about. I wonder why people forget this all the time?

It's funny when people blame "social justice warriors" for everything when they accuse "social justice warriors" for complaining about everything. Pot and kettle and all that.
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User Info: bIuerain

bIuerain
1 month ago#36
Dark Symphony posted...
bIuerain posted...
Dark Symphony posted...

Martin Shkreli went to jail not because of illegal activities but because he caught the eye of the mob and so people were going to get him


oh yea, I'm sure the fact that he literally committed investment fraud had nothing to do with it. it was all those darn SJWs.

seriously DS, that was probably the stupidest take of your life


You say that because you're defending his guilt which is the mistake people often make when I say things like this and it's why the ruse is so effective.

You didn't even dispute what I said. You didn't say "that's not why." You said other realities were a factor. And there were other contributing factors. But his actual illegal behavior wasn't what led to the investigations against him and that's where the problem is.


You are incorrect, especially the bolded part. Your "ruse" has failed because your premise is still wrong, in the same manner that two and two do not make five. To emphasize for the third time: You are factually incorrect.

1) The probe into Martin Shrekli's shady business began in 2012, three years before he became infamous for raising drug prices, as requested by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. The investigation was going on for years before he was in the public spotlight. He was going to go to court for this no matter what.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-filing/us-attorney-investigate-short-seller-martin-shkreli/

2) Horrible financial crime is something CEOs get away with all the time with a slap on the wrist at worst. Martin didn't because he handled the entire probe and trail in the stupidest ways possible, like refusing to use a lawyer and openly disrespecting the prosecutors. "He never seemed to take his case seriously, meeting with federal authorities without a lawyer, making faces during testimony, calling the prosecution “junior varsity” and reading a book during final statements." (per NYT) This contributes more to his harsh sentence then any imagined "mob." His is in prison entirely because of his own incompetence.

All this information can easily be found out in about 10 minutes of Google. You didn't do this because you were jumping at the chance to push the same old "muh sjws" narrative. (This really ties into CVG's point well.) Your failure to do a modicum of research lead to you saying, again, probably the stupidest thing you've ever said on this board.

You can, at absolute best, argue that him making himself a notorious public figure made the trail get more headlines than it otherwise would have. Otherwise, it'd perhaps just be a small story about a young CEO going to prison for fraud. O well, the much-maligned twitter mob still had no quantifiable effect on why he's in jail now. Meanwhile, Martin being an extremely incompetent crook actually did lead directly to him going to prison.
go team venture!
Lost7th posted...
Vulcan422 posted...
Excellent. Stay true to core values.


Like Noctis and Neegan.


Still better than pandering to politically correct nutters.
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User Info: Vulcan422

Vulcan422
1 month ago#38
Lost7th posted...
Neegan is the picture of trying to pander to casual non gamers.

In theory, yes. In practice, however, Harada has done the impossible: he has made Negan BETTER than the canon version of himself, who is in a show that's been in a steady decline for a long time now.
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User Info: Dark Symphony

Dark Symphony
1 month ago#39
bIuerain posted...
You are incorrect, especially the bolded part. Your "ruse" has failed because your premise is still wrong, in the same manner that two and two do not make five. To emphasize for the third time: You are factually incorrect.

1) The probe into Martin Shrekli's shady business began in 2012, three years before he became infamous for raising drug prices, as requested by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. The investigation was going on for years before he was in the public spotlight. He was going to go to court for this no matter what.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-filing/us-attorney-investigate-short-seller-martin-shkreli/

2) Horrible financial crime is something CEOs get away with all the time with a slap on the wrist at worst. Martin didn't because he handled the entire probe and trail in the stupidest ways possible, like refusing to use a lawyer and openly disrespecting the prosecutors. "He never seemed to take his case seriously, meeting with federal authorities without a lawyer, making faces during testimony, calling the prosecution “junior varsity” and reading a book during final statements." (per NYT) This contributes more to his harsh sentence then any imagined "mob." His is in prison entirely because of his own incompetence.

All this information can easily be found out in about 10 minutes of Google. You didn't do this because you were jumping at the chance to push the same old "muh sjws" narrative. (This really ties into CVG's point well.) Your failure to do a modicum of research lead to you saying, again, probably the stupidest thing you've ever said on this board.

You can, at absolute best, argue that him making himself a notorious public figure made the trail get more headlines than it otherwise would have. Otherwise, it'd perhaps just be a small story about a young CEO going to prison for fraud. O well, the much-maligned twitter mob still had no quantifiable effect on why he's in jail now. Meanwhile, Martin being an extremely incompetent crook actually did lead directly to him going to prison.


We'll get back to Shkreli in a second. You may have me dead to rights! I could have had the dates wrong. And if that's the case I'll concede and give all that is due to you. But I see something happening here that I hate and that happens all the time with stuff like this so I'm going to bring this back to home plate:

Do you disagree with my overall point? The Shkreli example is clearly a non-critical component and it looks like you're trying to overstate its importance to the overall point. it would be fine if you just sought out to correct me on that specific case but you broadened it out to the whole "SJW boogeyman" angle which is why we need to bring this back down to earth. To steal your bit for a second here, a 0 second search of this very page will reveal that I didn't mention "SJWs" at all. You didn't do this because you were itching to push the "irrational SJW boogeyman blaming" narrative. I specifically used the term "mob" because it isn't exclusively SJW types that make up the mobs that worry people. All types of people were upset when they heard about the Daraprim price raise. A lot of incidents involve just the regular old general public.

You don't have to be Michael Jackson to have as scandal anymore. You can just be... some person. The broadening of the scope of who can be targeted with massive outrage and repercussion regardless of the facts is what's got people worried. Who the F is Justine Sacco?

Do you disagree with my core point? After that I'll talk to you about my take on the Shkreli deal and see whether that's a straight failure on my part but I want to make sure it's not an undeclared deflection by isolating it from the core point.

User Info: CVGuile

CVGuile
1 month ago#40
Harada is not a random person waxing cynical. He's responding to a pointed question about his job with a hypothetical outcome as the reason he wouldn't add a Viking character. We could have an entire conversation about whether he's actually afraid or just passing the buck with a convenient boogeyman to avoid having to say he doesn't want to make a Viking character. But even if his fear is legitimate then anything could be attributed to "that damn Internet mob." Where do you decide to not let that fear control your output? Because presumably he's still going to make Tekken games so he can't be that afraid. There's also the question of who counts as the mob? Not doing something because people are going to get mad? Really? Anti-vaxxers are an "Internet mob" but we're not going to stop telling people to vaccinate their kids because we may get angry tweets over it. Are theaters pulling Captain Marvel because of the Internet mob? This is a "don't feed the trolls" moment. They want a reaction. Deny them one.
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