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Johnny Blaque posted...
Cooking: can't remember the names of them but there is a recent series about running a diner cafe, one with anthropomorphic animals and the other with humans.Can't get better than Chew or iZombie, lmaoooo.
Can't get better than Chew or iZombie, lmaoooo.
Oh yeah. Also Hungry Ghosts and Starve as two more cooking comics.
Comics are usually done by too many writers and artists, so all the stories, the characters, the QUALITY, it's all over the place. For example, John Byrne's Superman is MY Superman, but the character has been done by so many writers who simply didn't understand/get the character, with stories and villains that didn't connect with me.
With Manga, it's usually just 1 writer who's in charge. He/she wrote that world, those characters, and understands them and takes them only in directions that make sense for that writer, and with that, the readers/fans.
This way, within a particular series, there is simply a consistency which isn't there with comic book characters. As a result, we see comics just going for short term success, too often with shock-value story lines or OTT cross-over events.
You have great manga, and you have great comics. With comics, it just depends on who is/are on that run. You can have an amazing Iron Man run one year, and a completely different and terrible run by another creative team the next year.
You don't see that happening with manga. There's more consistency, it's more stand-alone (no crossovers with other series), and so a manga either appeals to you, or it doesn't, but it stays to true to what the original artist(s) are trying to convey with their characters and story.
^ Sorry, but that’s a tired excuse.
That only really happens with Big2 comics, so by that logic, manga readers would be all over Savage Dragon, Bone or Cerebus. All of those are long standing series by the same creator. Two of those are even in black and white, just like how manga fans like it!
And while Big2 comics would certainly benefit from being more streamlined, it’s not the fact that it’s a multi effort that prevents comics from reaching more audiences. By that logic, TV shows wouldn’t appeal to manga fans since they also use many writers.
Also Case Closed (Detective Conan) while it's all done by one writer is a sign that even without a rotating team that quality can still slip.
If there's any actual advantage of Manga over comics, it's the fact that they have extremely popular anthology books that serve as a launching pad for new IPs in an affordable package. The biggest publishers in US comics have a great system for marketing their old IPs including movies, TV, toys, and games, but they just don't have a pipeline for new stuff. And the dominance of the old stuff probably stifles the ability of new stuff to break through.
As for why Manga trades sell well stateside, that probably a confluence of a lot of factors. The US publishers aren't even focused on trades. I'm sure they make a lot more from single issues.
Create a Superman Anime with Shounen level action=easy seller and manga audience invested.
Focus on story, good action and a beginning, middle and ending.
In the end Superman becomes Superman prime one million and defeats his greatest villain in a cosmic 1on 1.
Superman defeats anyone, stay sore troll.
I feel like I can add a good perspective to this conversation because up until about two years ago, I read exclusively manga (as far as graphic novel stuff goes).
I got into comics partly because of the marvel films. And I enjoyed many character designs and thought, "what am I missing here?" So in that regard, comics didn't have to do anything other than have characters I at least understood through cultural osmosis. But there were two GIANT things holding me back and why I just stuck to manga for so long.
If I saw a cover I liked, I would see "collecting issue 450-455 of "this," issues 20-25" of this and "annual #1 of this. It's easy to say, "just read it," but if you have limited funds and you want a complete story, this just may not be it. Even now, having some more familiarity, I still pick up something and am often not sure how we got this set-up i.e. how a city was destroyed, why this character is in space, the status of these two and why they aren't talking. Sure, you can work around it and enjoy the present story. But it starts you off on the wrong foot and feels like you are missing pivotal pieces to a larger story. I won't even go into continuity which I basically ignore and take each run/series as its own thing. I cannot emphasize how unfriendly and impenetrable it is and it does a disservice to the stories.
Of course, manga's uniformity is clean, logical, and collector/reading friendly.
2.the deluge of content
Secondly, there's the feeling of where to start, and when you have decades of history, this can be intimidating. Most manga has a clear starting point. Most series also have a cap or ending point that feels at least somewhat realized or appropriate (with numerous exceptions). I feel like I'll never reach an actual end to any major comic I read. So my enthusiasm for even starting is diminished because where do I even start this story? It's easy to say "anywhere." But as a consumer, I have to do homework and make decisions about where to begin, ultimately finding out "nah, that wasn't a good spot because this leads into this, the character is interpreted oddly here," and so on.
I will add that the indie publishers sort of run away from these concerns, and have done well. But I feel the DC/Marvel of it all sorts of sucks the air out of the room, if you will. Essentially, we need more people reading more varied comic content for these long-standing American comic issues to be the norm.
It's easy to say, "just read it," but if you have limited funds and you want a complete story, this just may not be it
About the only thing that helps with limited funds is making better use of them.
As for hitting snags where you don't know it all, ask. Indie stuff might be harder to get answers for, but people can surprise you. Still this is a comic discussion board, and while it may be easy to go to Comicvine, Fandom wikis, and wikis in general that just lacks the personal touch that might come with debates, and weird behind the scenes stories.
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Funny seeing you guys turn on each other.Who the f*** is "you guys?" I've never been part of any of that cancel culture bulls***. And anyone who's seen my post history on this board also knows I've always hated ham-fisted agenda-driven nonsense like making Iceman gay just because and not even giving a decent story reason for it.
So please, tell me who "you guys" are. Just because I have some left-leaning proclivities doesn't mean I follow the herd mentality and believe every little thing liberals believe in. I'd still consider myself mostly independent with a slight left lean on some issues.
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