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User Info: Whisky

Whisky
1 week ago#1
It would seem fair that if Wyverns can fly than infantry classes get something else, like faire skills. But no, all Advanced classes get faire skills. I don’t know if the lack of Axefaire would be enough of a nerf, but it would help.
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User Info: Dekadense

Dekadense
1 week ago#2
Axefaire isn't what makes it broken.

User Info: Whisky

Whisky
1 week ago#3
Dekadense posted...
Axefaire isn't what makes it broken.


It would be a step in the right direction. I didn’t assume that all Advanced classes had faire skills when I first played the game. When I first saw faire skills, I thought only certain classes would have it. I would have guessed that the weapon specialists would have had faire skills. SwordMaster, Warrior, Halberdier/Sentinal. Not the classes that can fly.

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User Info: superxgaga

superxgaga
1 week ago#4
My ingrid uses bow and lance, swift strikers uses lance too as wyvern riders. It's just too good
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Cobalnite
1 week ago#5
It's a start
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Whisky
1 week ago#6
Axefaire makes you stronger with Axes only, while Str makes you stronger with everything. One way or another, Warrior needs to be stronger than Wyvern Riders. That could come from Axefaire, or more Str. Wyverns need less Spd too, and I think they should have a Res penalty. I don’t think that removing Axefaire on its own would make the class balanced.
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User Info: Lurkerkiller

Lurkerkiller
1 week ago#7
Flying is the problem, not axefaire. Combine flying with the class bonuses the flying classes get, they become the superior choice in class.

Maps don't penalize you for flying, in fact, they encourage it as you can fly through almost all walls and terrain. Dismount is like a nail in the coffin to make them the best. Any weakness they had can easily just be removed. It doesn't help that you can fly to a location, dismount and literally at the start of next turn you can remount so it's like you never even lost flight.

User Info: digitalstarry

digitalstarry
1 week ago#8
Axefaire is only the cherry on top really

What makes Wyverns broken is that there’s barely any impassable terrain, massive mov, broken canto, great bases, alert stance, and none of its weaknesses are that big of a deal
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Whisky
1 week ago#9
Lurkerkiller posted...
Flying is the problem, not axefaire. Combine flying with the class bonuses the flying classes get, they become the superior choice in class.

Maps don't penalize you for flying, in fact, they encourage it as you can fly through almost all walls and terrain. Dismount is like a nail in the coffin to make them the best. Any weakness they had can easily just be removed. It doesn't help that you can fly to a location, dismount and literally at the start of next turn you can remount so it's like you never even lost flight.


Flying can’t be a problem on its own. Flying should be an advantage, not in every situation, but it should be beneficial in many situations. Just not without some sort of cost or weakness. It makes sense for flying classes to be weaker than other classes. The problem is that they’re not weaker. They’re stronger than most classes. I agree that dismounting is broken and should probably not exist, at least not as it is.
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(edited 1 week ago)

User Info: Whisky

Whisky
1 week ago#10
digitalstarry posted...
Axefaire is only the cherry on top really

What makes Wyverns broken is that there’s barely any impassable terrain, massive mov, broken canto, great bases, alert stance, and none of its weaknesses are that big of a deal


Yeah I agree with that, but making them weaker would be one way to balance them, and removing Axefaire is at least a step in that direction. Just maybe not enough on its own.

Wyvern Riders are Advanced class in this game, but in previous games they were in the same tier as most Intermediate classes in this game. The ability to fly seems like enough to justify making them Advanced tier even if they were otherwise closer to Intermediate classes including not having faire skills. There would also be a bigger difference between Riders and Lords this way which would make Lord something to look forward to more. Of course, Wyvern Lords would still be as OP as ever so that’s still an issue, but a separate topic.
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