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User Info: Binkster

Binkster
1 week ago#21
The only reason this game isn’t morally gray is Slithers.
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User Info: Ninjaed

Ninjaed
1 week ago#22
katella posted...
If it was straightforward like you say, there wouldn’t be as much controversy or an Edelgard or Rhea thread every day.

This is the most effort this fanbase has placed in the plot(with the obvious exclusion of people’s distaste with Fates) in a relatively serious light.

lowell666 posted...
The point I’m trying to make is that there is a whole lot of controversy when there really shouldn’t be.

That's the misconception right there. There is controversy but only regarding one character:

Rhea.

Every Edelgard topic will tackle how the world needed to be changed, especially stressing out the Church's role in the current mess. Or rather, Rhea's role. In short, they're not discussing Edelgard per se, but what she does in opposition to what Rhea did and does.
Then, depending on people's sensibilities, some will judge Rhea to be evil and thus Edelgard to be justified, therefore right. That's where Edelgard's "greyness" comes from.

If you disregard the Church, Edelgard allied with evil group to conquer Fodlan so she'd create a society she believes in - exactly like Walhart or Ashnard or... you get the picture. That's your usual Fire Emblem tragic villain (Ashnard isn't really tragic but hey). That's not grey by any means. It's only when the Church enters the equation that things change.
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User Info: StellaLunaris

StellaLunaris
1 week ago#23
Benjamin Sisko in "In The Pale Moonlight", this game is not.

Then again, his voice in the final monologue of that episode was just... 💦💦💦
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User Info: Thorscape

Thorscape
1 week ago#24
Bozel did nothing wrong. All he wanted was to give us demon waifu like Listell and Sonia. Why does Lushris hate sexy demons?
TC is right though. Rhea should have been an active force in the game. But because she is not attention gets shifted away from her and the point of everything gets lost.
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superxgaga
1 week ago#25
Thorscape posted...
Bozel did nothing wrong. All he wanted was to give us demon waifu like Listell and Sonia. Why does Lushris hate sexy demons?
TC is right though. Rhea should have been an active force in the game. But because she is not attention gets shifted away from her and the point of everything gets lost.
I'd take lana over those 2. Unless we talking Sonya in em motorcycle outfit.
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User Info: lowell666

lowell666
1 week ago#26
katella posted...
lowell666 posted...
katella posted...
If it was straightforward like you say, there wouldn’t be as much controversy or an Edelgard or Rhea thread every day.

This is the most effort this fanbase has placed in the plot(with the obvious exclusion of people’s distaste with Fates) in a relatively serious light.


You can have a bunch of people in a room being wrong

<insert obvious political joke here>

The point I’m trying to make is that there is a whole lot of controversy when there really shouldn’t be.


So basically “everyone is wrong and I am right” is the mentality here. Furthermore, your opinion is just as valuable as anyone else’s here. Alas, it is nothing more than an opinion that won’t change the overall consensus and it would be naive to think otherwise after all this time.


Sure... if you want to cherry pick my words, that’s EXACTLY what I’m saying
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User Info: lowell666

lowell666
1 week ago#27
TrustyPeaches posted...
lowell666 posted...
TrustyPeaches posted...
I think the "moral grayness" people are referring to is developing a cast of likable characters and forcing the player to kill them in act 2.

The game places heavy emphasis on the horrors of war and the heavy emotional toll it takes, especially when fighting against people you know.

This isn't really moral ambiguity but I get the sense that's what people are talking about when they talk about the complex emotions and doubt the story instilled.


That’s kinda undercut by you being able to recruit nearly everyone else though.

You having to kill the other students feels more a punishment for not getting your stats high enough in time. The only one’s you REALLY have to kill is Edelgard, Dimitri, Hubert, and Dedue

Recruiting everyone before the time skip is technically possible but I'd guess barely anyone did it it their first time through the game.

Most people probably just recruited a handful of students they thought were cool from other houses and then the freebies the game gives you like the Seiros faculty. Then in Act 2 they faced all the students they didn't recruit and felt like s***.


I can’t speak for everyone, but in my first playthrough I was able to recruit everyone except Ferdinand and Caspar. Most of which without really going out of my way either
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User Info: lowell666

lowell666
1 week ago#28
Ninjaed posted...
katella posted...
If it was straightforward like you say, there wouldn’t be as much controversy or an Edelgard or Rhea thread every day.

This is the most effort this fanbase has placed in the plot(with the obvious exclusion of people’s distaste with Fates) in a relatively serious light.

lowell666 posted...
The point I’m trying to make is that there is a whole lot of controversy when there really shouldn’t be.

That's the misconception right there. There is controversy but only regarding one character:

Rhea.

Every Edelgard topic will tackle how the world needed to be changed, especially stressing out the Church's role in the current mess. Or rather, Rhea's role. In short, they're not discussing Edelgard per se, but what she does in opposition to what Rhea did and does.
Then, depending on people's sensibilities, some will judge Rhea to be evil and thus Edelgard to be justified, therefore right. That's where Edelgard's "greyness" comes from.

If you disregard the Church, Edelgard allied with evil group to conquer Fodlan so she'd create a society she believes in - exactly like Walhart or Ashnard or... you get the picture. That's your usual Fire Emblem tragic villain (Ashnard isn't really tragic but hey). That's not grey by any means. It's only when the Church enters the equation that things change.


That’s true to an extent. But the threat Rhea and the Church presents to Fodlan is very surface level. The more you actually look into what she’s doing, the less that’s actually there. At least in regards to Edelgard’s reaction to it.
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Ertrick36
1 week ago#29
BloodMoon7 posted...
That's like...3 full posts ma dude. You ok?

User Info: Jena11

Jena11
1 week ago#30
Ninjaed posted...
That's the misconception right there. There is controversy but only regarding one character:

Rhea.

Every Edelgard topic will tackle how the world needed to be changed, especially stressing out the Church's role in the current mess. Or rather, Rhea's role. In short, they're not discussing Edelgard per se, but what she does in opposition to what Rhea did and does.
Then, depending on people's sensibilities, some will judge Rhea to be evil and thus Edelgard to be justified, therefore right. That's where Edelgard's "greyness" comes from.


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