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User Info: Rethalwolf

Rethalwolf
1 month ago#1
80/80
When speaking about a character, if you ever use - information that character doesn't learn, information you learn across multiple routes, or actions that character takes across multiple routes - then your statement is inherently wrong.

As I tend to see this idiocy most from Edelgard haters, most examples I see include:
- suggesting that had Edelgard spoken to Dimitri and Claude, she could have handled her situation differently; information available to Edelgard implies that Dimitri and the Kingdom are wrapped around Rhea's little finger, and Claude cannot be trusted. Both of them risk revealing Edelgard's plans to Rhea and preventing her from reaching her goals, which is unacceptable. Furthermore, they directly conflict with the part of the plan which is to consolidate the nation under one banner - she has no reason to believe they would just give up their positions, or that they have a personal vendetta against the caste system which she wants to do away with. It is for this reason that she thought assassinating the heirs to the Kingdom and Alliance would allow her to avoid a nationwide conflict. (~~ Bringing the nation under one banner can be likened to the US Civil War, where a seceding nation (the Confederacy) declared their independence and a war was fought to reunite the nation. This war effort is not an inherently evil act. Fodlan is stronger internationally if it unites under one banner, especially as it is broken into territories and ruled at the territorial level by smaller government - "stronger together", as it were. ~~) These plans to unite Fodlan by any means necessary do not change until Byleth elects to take her side, instantly becoming the only person (besides Hubert) that she feels like she can trust. He softens her, and thus she elects to not use monsters/dark tactics and to potentially spare Claude. Consolidating under one banner is hardly, if ever, spoken of again as Edelgard pushes to defeat Rhea, who showed her true self. Tmk, it is not known if reclaiming the Kingdom and Alliance is a goal of Edelgard's any longer, or if it's merely a happy side effect of her push to slay Rhea.

- suggesting that Edelgard should have known that she was being lied to about Rhea. Edelgard was manipulated her whole life, and Emperor Hresvelg has been manipulated for generations. The information she got about the "truth" of the past came directly from her father, as it is information that has been passed from Emperor to Emperor. Also, her information was "proven" valid to her, as seen when Rhea executes members of the Western Church without trial or takes the form of the Immaculate One. Everything she was told, the raw evidence she's provided supports.

- suggesting that Edelgard knew about or is responsible for any of TWSITD's acts. When you suggest that Edelgard knew about Remire Village, Flayn's capture, Byleth's banishment, or Jeralt's assassination, you look like an idiot. The Flame Emperor, when no one else is around, berates them for these actions. She was also (in her route) not responsible for the nuking of Arianrhod, which was a TWSITD display of power to keep her in line. The only TWSITD advantage Edelgard is known to use after Byleth joins her is her special axe. Hubert takes the opportunity of being "allied" with them to investigate them, likely making expunging them after vanquishing Rhea far easier and more possible. Further, it is believed their power is needed to defeat Rhea, which - when viewed in a vacuum - seems impossible without them, as the last Emperor that tried was wrought down.

- A Dimitri one: people like to say he was wrong that Edelgard had anything to do with his family's death, which is true. However, he can't possibly know this, yet people give him the benefit of the doubt for hating Edelgard for it because it was all the information he had. Extend Edelgard the same favor.

These characters aren't time-traveling omniscient gods like us.
"The point of war is not to die for your country. It's to make the enemy die for his."

User Info: Reversal

Reversal
1 month ago#2
But this is the FE:TH board

/s

User Info: Rethalwolf

Rethalwolf
1 month ago#3
Sorry for the wall of text, I used every available character on my route lol.

Basically, what I'm saying is that if you use information from other routes - such as Claude's ability to manage to do what Edelgard was trying to do (after she's already done most of the heavy lifting) and with less bloodshed of his own, or the idea that she should know that TWSITD is responsible for the crest stones/caste system, not Rhea - you are blatantly wrong.

Characters can only use information that is available to them or actions that they take, and this changes for each character on every route. The only people with anywhere NEAR a full picture of what's going on is the player and maybe the dragons, so if you can't separate the routes (and the information learned within) in your discussions: just don't talk.
"The point of war is not to die for your country. It's to make the enemy die for his."

User Info: Rethalwolf

Rethalwolf
1 month ago#4
Reversal posted...
But this is the FE:TH board

/s

Aw man can't believe I messed that up :'(
"The point of war is not to die for your country. It's to make the enemy die for his."

User Info: imthestuntman

imthestuntman
1 month ago#5
Wanting to seek vengeance against one person on incomplete information is a hell of a lot different than societal upheaval.......

Plus there is no denying that edelgard is DRASTICALLY different in her approach between her route and the others, so you can't really take her in her route vs the others. The others are actually reasonably consistent between routes.
These minor spelling errors were brought to you by an ipad having no real feedback to enable me to know when i mistype and my own laziness.

User Info: MechaFlo

MechaFlo
1 month ago#6
It's true that when duscussing a character you should keep in mind that said characters are not omniscient and don't have access to all the info we as players/outside spectators do.

However, when discussing the game it's still good to discuss the game AS A WHOLE and not just one out of four routes when discussing events and characters as a whole.

User Info: Luminozero

Luminozero
1 month ago#7
"You can't understand The Reinhardt's motives unless you use him."
Democracy is a theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it, good and hard.
-H.L. Mencken

User Info: Rethalwolf

Rethalwolf
1 month ago#8
MechaFlo posted...
It's true that when duscussing a character you should keep in mind that said characters are not omniscient and don't have access to all the info we as players/outside spectators do.

However, when discussing the game it's still good to discuss the game AS A WHOLE and not just one out of four routes when discussing events and characters as a whole.

There is no "as a whole" version of any character, or of the game. Every path is completely different. The only constant is Byleth being on the "good" side, which means that no character is right unless you made Byleth choose them.

And then, if you use any information you know from outside of that choice to make any judgements, you're already wrong.
"The point of war is not to die for your country. It's to make the enemy die for his."

User Info: Fresita

Fresita
1 month ago#9
well If Fódlan had better international relations between the three respective powers (well to a continental extent at least) Edelgard would've avoided way less bloodshed.
internartional affairs are a thing

Sorry for bad english , I try my best

User Info: Rethalwolf

Rethalwolf
1 month ago#10
imthestuntman posted...
Wanting to seek vengeance against one person on incomplete information is a hell of a lot different than societal upheaval.......

Plus there is no denying that edelgard is DRASTICALLY different in her approach between her route and the others, so you can't really take her in her route vs the others. The others are actually reasonably consistent between routes.

Edelgard has no way of knowing that information is incomplete. Everything she was ever told is in line with what she learned, she has hard evidence that
- the Church executes dissidents
- the Church has the Crest Stones
- Rhea is a dragon

Everything she was ever told, all of this evidence is legitimate proof of, and there is no proof against. That's the mark of a good lie - it is borne in truth.

Again, the reason she is drastically different in her route is because of Byleth softening her approach. He doesn't do so in any other route. The Byleth Choice is one of the most defining aspects of any characterization in this game - this drastic difference is 100% the reason you have to look at every route in a vacuum. "The whole picture" is too much to look at when judging anyone here.

If Edelgard's route was the only one available to us, everyone would unequivocally be on her side (and everyone would hate the game for being so short and not explaining enough).
"The point of war is not to die for your country. It's to make the enemy die for his."
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