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User Info: charcoalswift

charcoalswift
3 months ago#141
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
His SPD isn't much of a problem in Thabes, since he can tank a good deal of enemies, the problem is that you have more than dozens of good units by then and you can only bring 10 to Thabes.

Clive is going to get outsped by Fire Dragons and Dagons, they will absolutely demolish with claw attacks and of course the breath attacks that bypasses defence and resistance gonna make tanking useless
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charcoalswift posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
His SPD isn't much of a problem in Thabes, since he can tank a good deal of enemies, the problem is that you have more than dozens of good units by then and you can only bring 10 to Thabes.

Clive is going to get outsped by Fire Dragons and Dagons, they will absolutely demolish with claw attacks and of course the breath attacks that bypasses defence and resistance gonna make tanking useless


He's not though. Lukas isn't being doubled, let alone Clive. Clive has HP, and since everyone has the same problem against fire breath, having more HP is the way to go.

Dagons have around 9-11 SPD, the fire dragons have slightly higher. Clive is easily doubling those. The only enemies that will be giving him trouble would be Grima and those fire casting ogres.
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User Info: SaizotheSixth

SaizotheSixth
3 months ago#143
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Lukas isn't being doubled

Lukas would totally be doubled...

On average, as a 20/20/20 Baron, he has 12 SPD. Dagons have 8, a Fire Dragon has 11, and both White Dragons and Fafnirs have 12.

You need, in 58 levels, for Lukas to proc a 15% growth rate, 4, 7, and 8 times respectively to not get doubled, and once more on top of that to double.
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User Info: charcoalswift

charcoalswift
3 months ago#144
SaizotheSixth posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Lukas isn't being doubled

Lukas would totally be doubled...

On average, as a 20/20/20 Baron, he has 12 SPD. Dagons have 8, a Fire Dragon has 11, and both White Dragons and Fafnirs have 12.

You need, in 58 levels, for Lukas to proc a 15% growth rate, 4, 7, and 8 times respectively to not get doubled, and once more on top of that to double.

👍This is why If you ever want to use a knight, get a fast one like Forsyth, but better if you just bench them asap

Low SPD, low Mov, terrible class
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(edited 3 months ago)

User Info: SaizotheSixth

SaizotheSixth
3 months ago#145
charcoalswift posted...
SaizotheSixth posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Lukas isn't being doubled

Lukas would totally be doubled...

On average, as a 20/20/20 Baron, he has 12 SPD. Dagons have 8, a Fire Dragon has 11, and both White Dragons and Fafnirs have 12.

You need, in 58 levels, for Lukas to proc a 15% growth rate, 4, 7, and 8 times respectively to not get doubled, and once more on top of that to double.

👍This is why If you ever want to use a knight, get a fast one like Forsyth, but better if you just bench them asap

Low SPD, low Mov, terrible class

Except Forsyth is worse since Lukas counters his SPD growth with a fantastic DEF one. He won't be doubling, but he won't be taking much damage, either.

Lukas, as a 20/20/20 Baron, has 33 DEF and 12 SPD. Forsyth, by comparison, has 21 SPD but only 25 DEF. If you were to ask me for my opinion on which one is better, I'd say Lukas.
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User Info: charcoalswift

charcoalswift
3 months ago#146
SaizotheSixth posted...
charcoalswift posted...
SaizotheSixth posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Lukas isn't being doubled

Lukas would totally be doubled...

On average, as a 20/20/20 Baron, he has 12 SPD. Dagons have 8, a Fire Dragon has 11, and both White Dragons and Fafnirs have 12.

You need, in 58 levels, for Lukas to proc a 15% growth rate, 4, 7, and 8 times respectively to not get doubled, and once more on top of that to double.

👍This is why If you ever want to use a knight, get a fast one like Forsyth, but better if you just bench them asap

Low SPD, low Mov, terrible class

Except Forsyth is worse since Lukas counters his SPD growth with a fantastic DEF one. He won't be doubling, but he won't be taking much damage, either.

Lukas, as a 20/20/20 Baron, has 33 DEF and 12 SPD. Forsyth, by comparison, has 21 SPD but only 25 DEF. If you were to ask me for my opinion on which one is better, I'd say Lukas.

Yeah Lukas joins early too, no reason to use Forsyth unless Lukas died on a no-reset, no-turnwheel run
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SaizotheSixth posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Lukas isn't being doubled

Lukas would totally be doubled...

On average, as a 20/20/20 Baron, he has 12 SPD. Dagons have 8, a Fire Dragon has 11, and both White Dragons and Fafnirs have 12.

You need, in 58 levels, for Lukas to proc a 15% growth rate, 4, 7, and 8 times respectively to not get doubled, and once more on top of that to double.


No problem, since Lukas can easily get a late SPD well for that, so no reason to not deploy him by then. And this on the other hand, proves that Clive would never be doubled, since he reaches 14 SPD before even reaching the end of chapter 5.

Low SPD, low Mov, terrible class


Please, Knights and Barons have awesome STR and DEF upon promotion, you don't need SPD when you can outank almost everything to death, Hector being a reminder of that. Who cares about move when there aren't any villages, recruits or chests to save? Not to mention that most maps are incredibly small. Also, reminder Celica and mages both have 4 MOV as well, it's not even a knight only thing anymore, further reducing the impact it would have.
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User Info: Lalin

Lalin
3 months ago#148
SaizotheSixth posted...
but only 25 DEF.


That's not even bad especially when his speed counters it.

DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Hector being a reminder of that.


Hector has good speed though but his 5 mov is annoying don't underrate movement.

User Info: SaizotheSixth

SaizotheSixth
3 months ago#149
Lalin posted...
That's not even bad especially when his speed counters it.

This is true, but taking three damage twice is better than taking six damage once.

Especially since one wholly relies on two percentages going off at the same time while the other does not.
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User Info: Lalin

Lalin
3 months ago#150
SaizotheSixth posted...
This is true, but taking three damage twice is better than taking six damage once.

Especially since one wholly relies on two percentages going off at the same time while the other does not.


Yeah the first is better since there's a higher chance one of those 2 will miss than if it's just one hit but it almost never makes a difference when it happens you're just like "Well ok" since the HP of the Soldier branch is high enough.

And how do you justify getting 18 Magic damage twice(Lukas) over 17 once(Forsyth)? Now then not getting doubled is more important.
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