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User Info: LegoTechnic

LegoTechnic
3 days ago#11
The surgeon's recorder in the Last of Us 1, which is admittedly pretty full of medical babble, gives implication that Ellie's blood and fluid that has been drawn/removed is completely normal and can be used to cultivate the cordyceps infection like anyone else's when exposed to an active fungal infection. However for whatever reason, her blood system itself shows no sign of infection, be it elevated white blood cell count or increase in lympathic activity. For whatever unknown reason, she shows no sign of infection and no effect on the nervous system despite her drawn blood behaving exactly like anyone else's when exposed to standard cordycep strains outside of her body.

Thus she likely can't spread the infection itself, and couldn't even as far back as the first game. She just didn't know any better, because she was too afraid to test, but it makes sense given she never infected Joel during their journey despite the close contact, or anyone else she was close to.

Transcript of surgeon's recorder:

April 28th. Marlene was right. The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen. The cause of her immunity is uncertain. As we've seen in all past cases, the antigenic titers of the patient's Cordyceps remain high in both the serum and the cerebrospinal fluid. Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab... however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients.

We must find a way to replicate this state under laboratory conditions. We're about to hit a milestone in human history equal to the discovery of penicillin. After years of wandering in circles, we're about to come home, make a difference, and bring the human race back into control of its own destiny. All of our sacrifices and the hundreds of men and women who've bled for this cause, or worse, will not be in vain.
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User Info: CalmJester

CalmJester
3 days ago#12
The first game specified that the reason for Ellie’s immunity is that her Cordyceps is mutated. (Whether it mutated by chance or because of Ellie is up in the air) The fungus itself is the reason for her immunity. It’s actually extremely logical that anyone she infects would have the same type - grows invisibly on the brain with no visible change.

Im actually a little surprised - I thought this was common knowledge. (edit: that sounds a bit jerkish- I meant to say I thought it was generally agreed upon/recognised)
(edited 3 days ago)

User Info: El_Zaggy

El_Zaggy
3 days ago#13
Infection happens fast.

User Info: BeefEaster

BeefEaster
3 days ago#14
Your theory makes no sense and there is absolutely no evidence to support it.

In fact the game comes right out and says that Ellie can not infect other people.

User Info: killercow-ld

killercow-ld
3 days ago#15
BeefEaster posted...
In fact the game comes right out and says that Ellie can not infect other people.

It says they're not visibly infected. They could be infected with the mutant strain and not know it.

The thing about Ellie's mutated strain also, is that while it's assumed she's unique, a lot of people die before they even get symptoms.

-People breath in spores or get bit, and kill themselves before they turn.
-People get bit or spored, but then get ripped apart by infected and die before the cordyceps can take hold.
-In the first game, they have scanners that test for infection. They killed everyone that tested positive, even if they weren't showing symptoms. Ellie tested positive. There may have been others who are immune, but tested positive and were shot.

Now, if Ellie HAS infected anyone, how would they know?
They aren't showing symptoms.
They put on masks around spores.
They haven't been bit / typically commit suicide if they are.
(edited 3 days ago)

User Info: AGENTDV1

AGENTDV1
3 days ago#16
It's also pretty hard to test immunity since once you're infected, it's kinda permanent. I doubt Dina or Cat or even Abby are willing to try it out with Ellie-cells floating around in their blood stream.
Used to advertise my PSN and XBL, learned that both suck, decided to just annoy everyone instead with the lack of useful information here.
AyumiSqueezetoy posted...
it was 2 years? how long after she left Dina did Santa Barbara take place?
I’m sure it was 2 months from the farm house to Ellie and abbys fight scene.

User Info: dbl219

dbl219
3 days ago#18
Uh, no. If you read Ellie's journal during one of the flashbacks you know she also had a previous relationship with a girl in Jackson named Cat, and that Ellie was afraid that kissing her would infect her, but it turned out not to be the case.
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User Info: Greymind

Greymind
3 days ago#19
AyumiSqueezetoy posted...
it was 2 years? how long after she left Dina did Santa Barbara take place?
It was a year and a half- 18 months
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User Info: BeefEaster

BeefEaster
2 days ago#20
killercow-ld posted...
It says they're not visibly infected. They could be infected with the mutant strain and not know it.

The thing about Ellie's mutated strain also, is that while it's assumed she's unique, a lot of people die before they even get symptoms.

-People breath in spores or get bit, and kill themselves before they turn.
-People get bit or spored, but then get ripped apart by infected and die before the cordyceps can take hold.
-In the first game, they have scanners that test for infection. They killed everyone that tested positive, even if they weren't showing symptoms. Ellie tested positive. There may have been others who are immune, but tested positive and were shot.

Now, if Ellie HAS infected anyone, how would they know?
They aren't showing symptoms.
They put on masks around spores.
They haven't been bit / typically commit suicide if they are.

What?

All you said was a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

This is a game and the creators decide how the fungus works. It's not a real human disease to be speculated on.
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