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User Info: mralexan11

mralexan11
3 days ago#1
i had some ideas on how to improve the the story of TLOU2 and would like to share. Please feel free to share your story ideas as well. If you liked the story as is feel free to say so as well.

Game starts in Jackson, you control Ellie, everything is going well for all characters. Some Fireflies are captured outside Jackson. They are doing some recon work in an attempt to kidnap Ellie and bring her back to the base. In the skirmish outside The fireflies killed some of the Jackson people leading to her being detained. A firefly reveals to the group and Ellie the events of the end of the first game. Ellie questions Joel if it is true or not. Joel acknowledges it is true which severely damages Joel and Ellie’s relationship. The fireflies are executed, but Ellie is able to talk to them first and find the location of the Firefly base. Ellie leaves in the middle of the night to go to the Fireflies and sacrifice herself for the cure. Joel finds out she left and heads out in pursuit to protect her.

First portion of the game is played as Ellie trekking to the Fireflies until she is captured my some hunters, or cultists, or whatever. The game then switches over to control of Joel who is right in Ellie’s trail. Joel finds Ellie and saves her. Joel and Ellie have a heart to hear, Ellie is still infuriated with him, but Joel insists on her letting him accompany her to the Firefly base for safety. Ellie reluctantly agrees. You continue to play as Joel on your way to the Firefly base.

Ellie and Joel arrive at the Firefly base. Joel suggests she go in by herself because of what he did at the end of the first one, knowing if the Fireflies saw him it would be a death sentence. Too late. Fireflies guarding the perimeter have spotted them and taken them into custody.

Ellie pleads for Joel’s life, the Fireflies disagree. Ellie gets one last conversation with Joel in his jail cell. Joel explains he did what he did because he thinks of Ellie as a daughter and couldn’t stand to lose her like he lost Sarah. Ellie sees where he is coming from. Very emotional scene. Joel is executes. Ellie can’t watch.

After all that has transpired, Ellie grows to resent the Fireflies, and decides not to volunteer to be operated on. The Fireflies refuse to let her leave. The Fireflies aren’t as good and righteous as they seen. They do not care about human life. They are obsessed with science. They acknowledge that Ellie’s death may not end up with the result of a vaccine. They attempt to detain her with force. Ellie fights back. Last chapter of the game is played as Ellie escaping the Firefly lab. Eulogy to Joel scene at the end.

So Joel still dies, but not like a punk. Close to 50/50 split Joel/Ellie gameplay. Joel fans happy. Ellie fans happy. Maybe the story played it a little too safe but it was satisfying.
(edited 3 days ago)

User Info: silverden75

silverden75
3 days ago#2
i like it. keep in mind im not a writer but here's my idea if the original game cant be changed too much-
you start off as abby running missions for firefly and her father and coming back you see yhe group in shambles with the survivors talking about how a raider or bandit killed a large part of the group. abby, enraged, begins tracking said bandit for four years until she gets a lead to a town where he supposedly resides in. the next part could play out slightly similar to the original where joel rescues her and instead of abby immediatly kills him instead she tells him how shes been tracking her fathers killer and hes close. joel agrees to help hunt the bandit until, through a series of cutscenes, he figures out abby is a firefly survivor and he himself is the bandit their hunting while abby starts to grow close to him. not as father daughter but just as friends. when she figures it out it hurts her emmensly because she just cant see joel, her new trusted friend, with the mindless killer. still she has to do it, right? so even though it hurts she tries to kill him, but ellie tries to stop her causing a stalemate. at this point joel tries to explain why he killed her father. this causes even more doubt making her.... idk run away? give up? i havent figured that part out.
edit:sorry for the wall of text.
just a normal hermit with an obsession with stories.
(edited 3 days ago)

User Info: Justgodjust

Justgodjust
3 days ago#3
They just needed to use her immunity for something.
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User Info: StevoTheOutlaw

StevoTheOutlaw
3 days ago#4
So basically you just wanted to play the first game again?
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User Info: MichaelAngel0

MichaelAngel0
3 days ago#5
The game should've been advertised as Abby's game, with her 4 years and the Wolf-Fedra and Wolf-Scar wars being the back drop of her story. This would be what she's involved in, but not her actual motivation. Through playing with her we see her start to crack under the pressure, but rathet than break she forces herself to focus on her goal and her hate, starts to project. We see her slowly get colder and have more psychotic tendencies; tho she tends to need time to herself to unwind, so she likes to read, work out and hunt. We also get more time, characterization and development for her team, which consists of other orphaned Firefly kids.

Eventually we get pass the 4 years, and Isaac gives her crew a mission to hunt down some Rattlers (in my version, the Rattlers aren't from California). Owen gets captured, in order to lure one of the top Wolves (Abby) to her death. Abby gives chase, because she knows Mel is pregnant and Owen needs to be their first his kid. Things get hectic and the chase takes them all the way to Wyoming. When we get to Wyoming, they're shocked to see that there's a massive cell of Rattlers there that are in conflict with Jackson. We then get Abby's crew teaming up with Ellie (still playing as Abby), Dina and Jesse to fight off the Rattlers.

Meanwhile, Joel and Tommy are separated from the rest of the conflict, trying to deal with a massive horde that the conflict has attracted. We play as Joel (and Tommy) killing infected and trying to block the horde. Eventually the succeed, and manage to find their way to the Rattler Wyoming HQ. They kill their way in, saving a shocked Owen (him and Tommy, recognize each other) in the process. After that, there's a fierce and brutal boss fight with Fat Geralt. Joel barely manages a killing blow, but is quite beaten up (busted shoulder, broken ribs, broken nose), along with Tommy and Owen. It's then when Abby and Ellie come in. Abby's eyes go feral briefly, before Owen snaps her out of her trance.

In appreciation for their help, Abby's and her crew are allowed to stay, resupply and rest up for a few days. It's during these few days that we find out her goal was always to kill Joel, for revenge of what he did in that hospital. Owen tries to talk her out of it, claiming that it's been 4 years and that Joel saved his life. To him, Joel doesn't seem like the type to kill without good reason. Abby will argue back in anger, and Owen will when point out the settlement they're in. That this the kind of society and future their parents fought for. Why people like Tommy and Eugene left them. He talks about how his time fighting in the WLF's wars has sobered him up, and her want for blood is why he left her for Mel. Owen even points out how she's become quick friends with Ellie and Jesse (we would play them all going on a patrol run). He once again pleads for her to let her anger go. Abby hesitantly tells him "fine". Owen looks unconvinced, but also sees that she's closed back up, and doesn't have the energy/patience to get her talking again. He hugs her, and leaves her to herself.

They're to leave the next morning, and she has to at least find out why he did it. Meanwhile, the horde starts breaking through the barricade. She privately confronts Joel and Tommy, as she catches them about to go on patrol. She wants to go with them, to take a last look at the place before leaving. Despite herself, there's truth in the lie; she did enjoy the peace. On the patrol, she finally drops the bomb,, and demands why Joel killed her father and her friends. Tommy finally realizes who she was a tries to calm her down, but she quickly grabs and snaps his arm before slamming him on the ground, kneeling on his back and putting a gun to his head. She tells Joel to disarm himself, or she'll kill Tommy. Joel does so, against Tommy's wishes. She then viciously knocks out Tommy, throws their guns out of the window of the building they're in a walks Joel outside.

He tells her why he killed her father. Everything, including Ellie's immunity. Tells her he feels sorry for her suffering, but, with conviction, tells her he'd do it again in a heartbeat. The world wasn't going to take another daughter from him, again. He offers her chance to leave, as her killing him right now would be a death sentence for her friends. In her anger, lamenting at everyone being so f***ing reasonable, she throws her own gun to the ground before charging at Joel. She's got to to make s*** right, or else she'll never be able to take seeing her dad's smiling face in her dreams. Thus, we get a Joel boss fight. He's still injured af, so he's not nearly the threat he would be. He's also hesitant at first, because his focus is getting to Tommy. After gouging one of his eyes out, he gets serious and starts brutally fighting back. Abby is a better fighter, and is very strong herself, but Joel is still stronger, bigger and heavier. The player has to aim at his injuries to get the upper hand, as he grapples Abby too. Abby wins the fight after he succumbs to Abby's repeated rib punches. Abby picks up a rock to finish him off, but is interrupted by two Runners that tackle her to the ground. She can barely fight them off, before one is shot of her, and she breaks the neck of the other one. She looks up to see that Joel saved her with gun in hand. There's tense stare down, with Joel saying he should kill her. She reminds him of himself, and knows she'll be nothing but suffering for those close to her. However there's more infected in bound, and he knows he can carry Tommy in his condition. He tells her she'll get her wish, but she's got to take Tommy back and tell Ellie that he loves her like a daughter. Abby is confused, but Joel then fires the gun off, and runs; drawing the attention to the small horde. Abby then frantically carries Tommy all the way back to Jackson, claiming they were attacked by a large group of infected. Ellie asks about Joel, and Abby shakily, repeats what Joel told her. Maria offers Abby aid, but is insistent on leaving with her group. On the ride back to Seattle, Owen knows something is up and demands what happened. She confesses,, and Owen is angry, horrified and sad at the series of events. He wants to lay into Abby, but can see that she is regretful about it, and it works in tandem with our appreciation of her character at that point.

Then you find out you only played half the game. WTF?! We're playing as Ellie now? Flip back and forth between Ellie and Abby, with the Ellie sections always starting with a flashback until we get to the theater boss fight. Also, emphasize Ellie's PTSD, more to push how unhinged she's become. Her suicidal nature, combined with her guilt, rage, and haunting memories, twists her as we see Abby start from that disposition towards a more positive one.

Also, when Abby starts her change, give her the option of non-lethal kills, and the choice to kill/not kill Isaac.

At the epilogue, we get the choice to kill or spare Abby. We gone through Abby's life since her father's murder and after we got the revenge, so we see it's done nothing but harm to her life. We saw her changing for the better as we saw Ellie fall further into despair. We saw Abby choose not to kill people. However, she still killed Joel, who, despite all his actions, found happiness. Her killing of Joel turned Ellie and Tommy into the antithesis of their former selves.

So the choice would've carried a lot of weight.

I feel this structure would've done what they wanted much better.
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User Info: MichaelAngel0

MichaelAngel0
3 days ago#6
Tommy, Ellie and Jesse would go out to find Joel after the fact. Finding his beaten, torn body surrounded by dead Runners.

A month goes by, and after Tommy heals, he leaves for Seattle in secret. He leaves a note, finally admitting to Ellie what happened, and Ellie, Dina and Jesse all go after him, to bring him back and get revenge.
Joe Rogan and Killer Mike spitting truth:
https://youtu.be/qFUgN6mWgjU

User Info: El_Zaggy

El_Zaggy
3 days ago#7
remove all the Abby part, game ends at the theater, Abby kill Jessie, Tommy, Dina then Abby ad Elie gave a stand off, they both kill each other then end. The game is too long

No more part 3.
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User Info: game_man1

game_man1
3 days ago#8
Justgodjust posted...
They just needed to use her immunity for something.

If her immunity suddenly becomes more useful it ruins the ending of the first game because a big part of Joel's choice was that he destroyed all chances of a cure ever being made and any chance Ellie's immunity meaning anything which is the whole reason she's angry at him.

User Info: mralexan11

mralexan11
3 days ago#9
StevoTheOutlaw posted...
So basically you just wanted to play the first game again?

Yes
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