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User Info: HCE

HCE
2 weeks ago#1
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https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/

Drop rate chart:
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User Info: xhominid

xhominid
2 weeks ago#2
Apparently, Old Li Shuwen has disgusting NP Gain to make up for the fact his Star Gen is pretty bad.

His damage seems pretty beast, especially with the characters who can make him work the best(Tamamo, Waver, Nero Bride).

https://youtu.be/84chSTpyROM

Rexlent has nothing but praise for him as he's apparently still good even at NP1 compared to NP5.
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User Info: Cashino0

Cashino0
2 weeks ago#3
So, how does old man Li fare compared to other 5 star single target assassins?

His NP was nerfed to have only one hit (vs. 3 back in Qin's original release; I messed up an earlier statement) so it has crap NP regen.
However, his regular Arts has *good* NP Gain; NPAA with Crits but no NP gain boosts (Overkill, Arts+, NP Gain+) regens him back to 97%.

I mean, was Benienma considered to be as desirable as Musashi? I'm not totally sure how popular she is compared to other Servants, but she doesn't seem to be on Musashi's level.

She's not really comparable with Musashi due to different kits.
Musashi is an almost pure attacker that has a lot of meta skills but is tricky to handle in a close fight.
Benienma is more of a team player without sacrificing solo fighting power, and is probably most comparable to Ozymandias.

Overall Benienma is \easier to handle and will probably see more usage, especially since she's a rare support-oriented Knights (Saber/Archer/Lancer).
She also possesses the only skill which protects your entire party again Amakusa and Abby's NP's Dispel-before-Damage, enabling the ability to stall them with Invulns. How useful this will be is up to debate since neither of the two show up a lot.
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User Info: mizukage2

mizukage2
2 weeks ago#4
Between him and Orion I guess my Tamamo might get some more work. Especially with her recent 30% NP damage boost on her first skill. And he will work well with Kiara and her Arts damage vulnerability skill to so I guess she will to.
I mean, i never see the right bash the left on anything because the blame game causes more issues than anything-Josh

User Info: DemiseEnd

DemiseEnd
2 weeks ago#5
Benienma had 3 things going for her

1. The whole niche about protection vs buffwipe

2. Battery on an arts servant

3. NP Seal

The second is notable because Tama can cycle it just like with BB but probs not as crazy. NP Seal means you can have some control on bar-broken-immediate-np.

And she DOES technically have absurd critical/dps modifier. On kit her crit is is 40 and her atk buff is 40 while her NP adds 40-80 crits. I cant imagine many atk oriented servant beating that honestly

Shes essentially Ozy for Arts

As for Li Shuwen. You know how Saberlot/Sherlock have a combo where you press 2-3 skill and things died? His NP gen is really high(Sherlock level) and you press his skills for 680% steroid(70% ATK and 100% Crits) and delete things from existence. His NP have that pre casted def debuff thing that makes it hit hard

But yeah this event in general is a massive boon for Arts. The 5* CE is an alternative to cute orangete, 2 Arts SSR thats arguably the top of the class, Fionn buff making him pretty good, and even Tamamo got buffed
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User Info: Mac Arrowny

Mac Arrowny
2 weeks ago#6
Cashino0 posted...


I mean, was Benienma considered to be as desirable as Musashi? I'm not totally sure how popular she is compared to other Servants, but she doesn't seem to be on Musashi's level.

She's not really comparable with Musashi due to different kits.


I was talking about personality-wise and character-wise, rather than gameplay-wise. Musashi seems to be one of the more popular characters.
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User Info: mizukage2

mizukage2
2 weeks ago#7
Hmm, yeah, weird now that I think about it. Getting Kiara to NP2 right before I get an arts assassin who is going to work well with her.

Still don't know what I'm going to do with Arjuna though, will probably be awhile before I can be bothered to level him since I already have Ishtar. Same goes for Bradamante since I have Eresh.
I mean, i never see the right bash the left on anything because the blame game causes more issues than anything-Josh

User Info: Cashino0

Cashino0
2 weeks ago#8
Mac Arrowny posted...
Musashi seems to be one of the more popular characters.

You realize this is hard to compare on even grounds?
Musashi was virtually unknown at first release since she only had a paltry Trial quest to flesh her out, if you could even call it that. It was only after Shimousa and Anastasia that she got more popular.
Beni currently has her initial event where things are fairly good albeit some issues due to her relationship with the Hell's Kitchen delinquents, but that's partially a fandom issue. How things go from here depends on whether or not she gets more appearances. However, being a chef and youkai, she has a lot of potential links to give her appearances in events.
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User Info: Derbmeister

Derbmeister
2 weeks ago#9
Yeah, Musashi is pretty huge now, but I think she was just as unknown as Benny was before her debut.

Also old Li sounds real promising. Probably won't get him after my initial NY luck, but it'll be neat seeing him.

Also beat the challenge quest. Maybe I just needed more Archers but I found Beni doing obscene damage a real pain.
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User Info: xhominid

xhominid
2 weeks ago#10
DemiseEnd posted...
But yeah this event in general is a massive boon for Arts. The 5* CE is an alternative to cute orangete, 2 Arts SSR thats arguably the top of the class, Fionn buff making him pretty good, and even Tamamo got buffed


Honestly, the Tamamo Buff is possibly THE best thing that happened to Arts period.

Alot of people ignore the 30% NP buff... but don't realize that it benefits Arts so much because of 2 different reasons:
1. The most obvious reason in that it makes Arts NPs hit even harder due to the combo of the Arts Boost from Tamamo AND the NP percentage buff meaning that those who can NP loop like Archer Artoria, Rider Mordred and Ryoma can hit super damn hard and those whose issues are their NP damage like Kiara benefits stupidly from that buff.

2. The least known 2nd effect... is that NP damage buffs are surprisingly rare for most Servants, not super rare, but rarer than most people give it credit for. Because of the fact that damage is stacked multiplicative for each different buff, this means that Arts users now have one of the easiest ways to get the maximum number of buffs compared to most Servants(Since NP's can now stack from Arts Card Buff, NP damage buff and straight Attack buff on top of that while most can only really just do Buster + Attack Buff or the same for Quick).

This is why Old Li Shuwen does so much insane damage now and why Arts became disgusting all over again: While Tamamo doesn't give any Crit buffs like Skadi and Merlin... she really doesn't need to anymore because not only are their Arts Servants who can do that on their own now(Even a Mystic Code which does that exact thing), but she ends up buffing NP damage which is a rare thing for Arts Spammers and racks their damage immensely when combined with the usual buffs(Basically Tamamo can stack 2 of the 3 main damage buffs ALL BY HERSELF for NP Damage, Merlin and Skadi can only do it for Crit damage so you will have to add another Servant for NP Damage boost).
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