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Vegeta1000 1 month ago#71
Cire2 posted...
SS2 is only double SS1

Only according to the Super Exciting Guides which have contradictions like the Daizenshuu. SSJ has no set multiplier.

If Goku got 50% stronger and Gohan got 50% weaker, they would be at the same power level.

Who said Gohan got 50% weaker?



Yet, it was still said SS2 Gohan was the strongest. Goku didn't gain any noticeable strength in those 7 years. He simply unlocked SS2 and SS3.

That's a huge assumption on your part. Just because Buu Saga SSJ Goku lacks significant feats doesn't mean his SSJ form didn't get much stronger. If Kaioshin is truly Cell Games Goku level then Buu Saga SSJ Goku should be far above what he was 7 years prior.
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Cire2 1 month ago#72
Vegeta1000 posted...
Only according to the Super Exciting Guides which have contradictions like the Daizenshuu. SSJ has no set multiplier.

Who said Gohan got 50% weaker?

That's a huge assumption on your part. Just because Buu Saga SSJ Goku lacks significant feats doesn't mean his SSJ form didn't get much stronger. If Kaioshin is truly Cell Games Goku level then Buu Saga SSJ Goku should be far above what he was 7 years prior.
I don't think there is enough evidence to confirm Kaioshin is equal to Goku at Cell saga or that SSJ Goku was even above him. Kaioshin can be scared by a guy of equal power to himself too. Equal power means he can still kill you, but there's no evidence to gauge Kaioshin's power to Goku's either way. We only know that Kaioshin only considered Gohan capable of saving the Universe.
Vegeta1000 1 month ago#73
Cire2 posted...
I don't think there is enough evidence to confirm Kaioshin is equal to Goku at Cell saga or that SSJ Goku was even above him. Kaioshin can be scared by a guy of equal power to himself too. Equal power means he can still kill you, but there's no evidence to gauge Kaioshin's power to Goku's either way. We only know that Kaioshin only considered Gohan capable of saving the Universe.

I'm only going by what the Legendary Manga Guide said. At the very least we know that he's stronger than Piccolo who at that point was probably at least Cell Games Vegeta and Trunks level. There's no reason for Kaioshin to be afraid of an equal fighter. He was about to piss himself when SSJ Goku threatened to blast him. Safe to say that SSJ Goku was a lot stronger.
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Brolypotence 1 month ago#74
AnonDB posted...
Goku loses.
SS2 Cell arc Gohan was still used as a benchmark in the Boo arc.
nothing more needs to be said

also Super backs this up
UE feels more and more like the transformation was something Toyo cooked up in 5 min to not make Vegeta feel behind in the transformation arms race with Goku.
OmniAlgusX 1 month ago#75
All the evidence in DBS is that Goku's base is weak as f*** and it's the incredible multipliers of the Ssj forms that make up for it. Sorry, but DBS has retconned all the true believers who think Base Goku could beat Frieza or something. Maybe that was true after the Buu arc but not anymore. Base Goku is face down in the mud who is only rescued by the Ssj multipliers and the ridiculous hax of God Ki.
Final proof that Buu makes people delusional: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/2000113-dragon-ball-general/79026206
Vegeta1000 1 month ago#76
OmniAlgusX posted...
All the evidence in DBS is that Goku's base is weak as f*** and it's the incredible multipliers of the Ssj forms that make up for it. Sorry, but DBS has retconned all the true believers who think Base Goku could beat Frieza or something. Maybe that was true after the Buu arc but not anymore. Base Goku is face down in the mud who is only rescued by the Ssj multipliers and the ridiculous hax of God Ki.

You must think Namek Freeza is stronger than RoF Piccolo.
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Krazy_Kirby 1 month ago#77
goku.
Kill From The Shadows.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
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