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User Info: MKScorpion

MKScorpion
4 weeks ago#1
SSJ Goku who was noticeably sick and stated to be weaker than he should be by Piccolo was kicking 19s ass until he started feeding him energy and eventually got grabbed.

Now, we can assume SSJ Goku and Vegan are a lot stronger than Namek SSJ1 which could kind of even things out but after re-reading the fight just now in the manga idk if they could beat Frieza without stealing energy first.

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User Info: LNSS

LNSS
4 weeks ago#2
I have them at between Second Form and Third Form Frieza

User Info: SpiralSwords

SpiralSwords
4 weeks ago#3
This is one of those things I go back and forth on.

https://i.imgur.com/vv6QK9K.jpg?1

From a narrative standpoint, it seems like the story was really quick to act as if #19 and #20 didn't happen. It makes sense considering they weren't the the real Androids. Krillin gauging Goku's feelings on facing an enemy stronger than Freeza makes it seem as if the previous enemy (#19) that Goku fought...wasn't above Freeza.

But of course, you have this stated by Piccolo:

https://i.imgur.com/iaY6M90.jpg

Now we see that the first option is the accurate one, but let's look at the second option.

Piccolo considered the fact that they all grew too strong. This outcome isn't possible if they (Piccolo and Vegeta) aren't at least above the highest levels from the previous arc.

https://i.imgur.com/GqSEYbf.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/1gwjfp6.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/yXyf481.jpg?1

So I think it's a combination of both: the initial Androids were trash, but Piccolo and Vegeta being in an entirely different league allowed them to make quick work of them. Even with that, the Androids could still be inferior to Freeza.

Overall, I no longer have an issue with them being inferior to Freeza. With or without energy. Having said that, I also understand why others believe the Androids are stronger. I can understand both sides.

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User Info: ssgvegeto

ssgvegeto
4 weeks ago#4
Dr. Gero and Android #19's major weakness is that they can't amplify ki. That's why Dr. Gero, even after absorbing a blast from SSJ Vegeta and practically all of Piccolo's ki, was an absolute jobber next to Piccolo. The Z Fighters trained themselves to amplify their ki in short bursts to give their attacks that extra kick. Even if Dr. Gero had a far superior base power level, it wouldn't mean he would win.

Frieza on the other hand can amplify ki as seen with several ki attacks/techniques such as the one that he used to counter SSJ Goku's Kamehameha. Frieza just can't sense energy or suppress his power level to 0.

Dr. Gero clearly saw a massive leap in power for himself after absorbing Piccolo's energy, only to find out that the boost Gero got was nothing compared to the amplified ki bursts Piccolo had. I place the initial Androids as overall the inferiors next to Frieza, likely in terms of power level as well.
https://imgur.com/gtjHMvJ

User Info: ssgvegeto

ssgvegeto
4 weeks ago#5
LNSS posted...
I have them at between Second Form and Third Form Frieza
I think they should be fairly stronger than that considering this

https://youtu.be/gF1GfaQI6zw?t=84

A furious punch like that would probably send 2nd and 3rd Form Frieza across the city. You could say Goku was holding back, but I don't see much reason to think he would be holding a lot back and Goku at this point probably has a power level of like, 4-5 million or something.
https://imgur.com/gtjHMvJ

User Info: MKScorpion

MKScorpion
4 weeks ago#6
SpiralSwords posted...
This is one of those things I go back and forth on.

https://i.imgur.com/vv6QK9K.jpg?1

From a narrative standpoint, it seems like the story was really quick to act as if #19 and #20 didn't happen. It makes sense considering they weren't the the real Androids. Krillin gauging Goku's feelings on facing an enemy stronger than Freeza makes it seem as if the previous enemy (#19) that Goku fought...wasn't above Freeza.

But of course, you have this stated by Piccolo:

https://i.imgur.com/iaY6M90.jpg

Now we see that the first option is the accurate one, but let's look at the second option.

Piccolo considered the fact that they all grew too strong. This outcome isn't possible if they (Piccolo and Vegeta) aren't at least above the highest levels from the previous arc.

https://i.imgur.com/GqSEYbf.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/1gwjfp6.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/yXyf481.jpg?1

So I think it's a combination of both: the initial Androids were trash, but Piccolo and Vegeta being in an entirely different league allowed them to make quick work of them. Even with that, the Androids could still be inferior to Freeza.

Overall, I no longer have an issue with them being inferior to Freeza. With or without energy. Having said that, I also understand why others believe the Androids are stronger. I can understand both sides.

This is probably the most reasonable take I have seen on this subject tbh
IWTDINO

User Info: superman 2000

superman 2000
4 weeks ago#7
It's weird. 19 absorbed enough of Vegeta's energy for the latter to be too weak to face Gero afterwards, yet Gero (who was already stronger than 19 and had absorbed some of Piccolo's energy to boot) was still trash compared to Piccolo (who was weaker than Vegeta), and I don't think Piccolo even took a senzu after having his energy absorbed (though I could be wrong).
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User Info: Scotty_Rogers

Scotty_Rogers
4 weeks ago#8
Piccolo took a Senzu.
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User Info: WhatChuLookinFo

WhatChuLookinFo
4 weeks ago#9
MKScorpion posted...
This is probably the most reasonable take I have seen on this subject tbh

Agreed.
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User Info: God_of_Magic

God_of_Magic
4 weeks ago#10
Did they ever say if the little machine Gero used to collect their cells gave him any information on their actual power levels?
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