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User Info: SupremeGod91

SupremeGod91
1 month ago#1
Into Belmod >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiren?!

I’d be down for it!

Jiren could still keep the power he had, as the absolute strongest mortal in Universe 11!

User Info: AvatarST

AvatarST
1 month ago#2
Meh, what's another one gonna do.

User Info: Djyc21215

Djyc21215
1 month ago#3
In order for this new Hakai > All agenda to make sense, thats exactly what they will need to do.

People can scream Magical Hakai all they want to say Beerus is stronger than Gogeta and Broly, but as long as Belmond is weaker than Jiren, this will never be the case. As Jiren knows the Hakai, yet was still surpassed by a mortal.

User Info: NobleWill8

NobleWill8
1 month ago#4
That's the funniest part, Goku is above some GoDs now, so how is Hakai going to look cool anymore? Not only has Goku already used it once, but the only people it's used by (except maybe Beerus) are all weaker than him. Poor Vegeta, still playing catch-up!
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User Info: FlyingWindGod

FlyingWindGod
1 month ago#5
They probably will go that route just to keep to the idea that the GoDs (not just Beerus) are untouchable.

So much about the Tournament of Power needed to be changed if they were going to go this direction, like:
- removing Iwan's line that SSG Goku and Toppo were about on par with them.
- have Toppo change Jiren's hype from, "oh yeah he's for sure stronger than our GoD!" to, "oh well.... people say that he might be as strong as our GoD" only for Belmod at the end of the arc to catch wind of the rumor and proceed to laugh it off as baseless. You could maybe add in that the only person in U11 who could've contended with him was Gicchin in his prime but that Jiren is quite a ways away from reaching that.
- change Ulra Instinct from the ultimate state of power that Beerus struggled and failed to reach, having what appeared to be a nervous breakdown at the thought of Goku achieving it into pretty much exactly what we learned last chapter, that "it's only one technique of the gods that the Angels specialized in that no mortal up until then had managed to achieve". There, boom. You take away any sort of ineptitude or comparison to Beerus and the GoDs but preserve the idea of Goku achieving it was a marvel.

There, I just fixed the entire premise behind the ToP. No "mortal stronger than GoD" crap, no "surpass the gods" nonsense. Just make it about a few mortals racing to reach "GoD candidate" status.

User Info: deepsquid

deepsquid
1 month ago#6
Will never happen, just accept the fact

UI Goku > Jiren > Belmod ? Beerus > Vegito ? Moro > characters that can 1 shot modern SSBE Vegeta > > SS Broly > Golden Frieza

Featswise, everything is very consistent in the manga. My only issue is that they haven't made a detailed manga version of the Broly movie.

User Info: MUIGogito

MUIGogito
1 month ago#7
f*** it, they might aswell at this point. But if they did that’d literally bury Jiren’s character into the dirt, since his main thing was being stronger than his own GoD.

User Info: yakashamonian

yakashamonian
1 month ago#8
FlyingWindGod posted...
They probably will go that route just to keep to the idea that the GoDs (not just Beerus) are untouchable.

So much about the Tournament of Power needed to be changed if they were going to go this direction, like:
- removing Iwan's line that SSG Goku and Toppo were about on par with them.
- have Toppo change Jiren's hype from, "oh yeah he's for sure stronger than our GoD!" to, "oh well.... people say that he might be as strong as our GoD" only for Belmod at the end of the arc to catch wind of the rumor and proceed to laugh it off as baseless. You could maybe add in that the only person in U11 who could've contended with him was Gicchin in his prime but that Jiren is quite a ways away from reaching that.
- change Ulra Instinct from the ultimate state of power that Beerus struggled and failed to reach, having what appeared to be a nervous breakdown at the thought of Goku achieving it into pretty much exactly what we learned last chapter, that "it's only one technique of the gods that the Angels specialized in that no mortal up until then had managed to achieve". There, boom. You take away any sort of ineptitude or comparison to Beerus and the GoDs but preserve the idea of Goku achieving it was a marvel.

There, I just fixed the entire premise behind the ToP. No "mortal stronger than GoD" crap, no "surpass the gods" nonsense. Just make it about a few mortals racing to reach "GoD candidate" status.

in fairness I believe Irwin just says they've reached God level of powers. Broly and Gogeta are saiyan level opponents. Raditz is also saiyan tier. so there ya go. that makes it just mean they're insanely strong.

Belmond is also IIRC the youngest GoD and already considering retiring. It's honestly not that impressive if you think about that.

And Ultra instinct being an ultimate transformation and Beerus freaking out, can easily just be brushed off is. Beerus is the most powerful thing in the universe outside of his angel and he's just freaking and pissy because someone outside of Whis can do something he can't.

without even changing anything, everythings fixed.

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User Info: SupremeGod91

SupremeGod91
1 month ago#9
Djyc21215 posted...
In order for this new Hakai > All agenda to make sense, thats exactly what they will need to do.

People can scream Magical Hakai all they want to say Beerus is stronger than Gogeta and Broly, but as long as Belmond is weaker than Jiren, this will never be the case. As Jiren knows the Hakai, yet was still surpassed by a mortal.
As “Jiren” knows the Hakai? I think you must mean Belmod.. Typo there I guess.

Anyway, I agree with your post. This is what they must do if they want to follow the Hakai > Non Hakai Agenda consistently..

User Info: SupremeGod91

SupremeGod91
1 month ago#10
NobleWill8 posted...
That's the funniest part, Goku is above some GoDs now, so how is Hakai going to look cool anymore? Not only has Goku already used it once, but the only people it's used by (except maybe Beerus) are all weaker than him. Poor Vegeta, still playing catch-up!
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