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User Info: WizardHazard

WizardHazard
2 months ago#1
Jiren was more threatening and had a much stronger showing as well as an aura of invincibility that Broly doesn't have

User Info: Forest_Temple

Forest_Temple
2 months ago#2
We are teased hard with Jiren, Broly, and Beerus' power level. It's frustrating because no one knows for sure who is the strongest of the 3. Broly has bigger hype and I'd say maybe even bigger feats. Jiren pushed Goku to MUI but Broly pushed Goku and Vegeta to fuse with each other. Goku and Vegeta didn't even bring up the possibility of fusing when they were in the ToP. We won't know until later. Or maybe it'll be like the Buu Arc power levels and people will disagree forever :(
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User Info: WizardHazard

WizardHazard
2 months ago#3
Forest_Temple posted...
. Broly has bigger hype and I'd say maybe even bigger feats. Jiren pushed Goku to MUI but Broly pushed Goku and Vegeta to fuse with each other.

Difference being that Broly got roflstomped by Gogeta while Jiren did not get roflstomped by UI.

Also Broly never pushed Goku to UI ...

User Info: Dagoth

Dagoth
2 months ago#4
WizardHazard posted...
Jiren was more threatening and had a much stronger showing as well as an aura of invincibility that Broly doesn't have
People also use the Broly tanking a punch from SSG Vegeta as their "proof" of his strength even though Jiren did that to a SSB Vegeta in episode 122 multiple times.

Do the scaling, if wrathful Broly is Ozzaru powered and is equal to SSB Goku in that state it would mean his base power has already been multiplied by 10x which means SS Broly would only be 5x stronger then that given his base is only multiplied by 50x from the SS transformation, this would make him equal to SSB Kaioken x5 Goku as a SS, even Hit can handle a SSB Kaioken Goku x5 nevermind Jiren who can take on SSB Kaioken x20 Goku and SSB Evolution Evolution at the same time, Broly would have to have become MANY times stronger in between the moment he became a SS to the moment he used his Full-Power state to even have a hope of bring stronger then Jiren, if his SS form made him equal to a hypothetical SSB Kaioken x5 Goku using this scale, he would have to become 4x stronger just to match SSB Kaioken x20 Goku, that level of power stood no chance against Jiren, if those theories relating to what his transformation is are correct which suggest his Full-Power SS form is just his Ozzaru Power (base x10) x SS (base x50) then his Full-Power SS form would only give him a 500x base multiplier or roughly 10x SS Broly which would only be equal to a hypothetical SSB Kaioken x50 Goku (Also Broly's pupils are shown in the movie, they are yellow in his Full-Power form which adds further proof to what his form is)

I do not think that some people realize..

1. Actions speak louder then words ever will, they can say Broly is stronger but they need to show it and whatever they show us takes precedence over whatever they say and they show us via his actions he is clearly not as strong as their words claim.

2. The power difference between transformations, A SS1 and a SS3 would be closer in power then a SSB and a SSB Kaioken x20 user would be, Jiren was quite littraly fighting a version of Goku who was 20x stronger then the Goku who fought Broly and Broly was not being very succeaful in taking him out, let's be fair to the movie and say Goku became twice as powerful as he was in the ToP which given his dialogue with Whis clearly points out he has not increased that much, that would still make SSB Kaioken x20 at least 10x as powerful as SSB Goku would be in this movie and Jiren was fighting BOTH SSB Kaioken x20 Goku and SSB Evolution Vegeta at the same time before he even used his full-power which was before he broke his limits.

I doubt someone equal to a hypothetical SSB Kaioken x50 would be enough given a SSB Kaioken x20 and a SSB Evolution fighting together were being held-off by a semi-supressed Jiren, infact SSB Kaioken x50 is where I would put UI omen, seems fitting given how the Goku vs Jiren fight somewhat mirrored the events of Namek.

User Info: Dagoth

Dagoth
2 months ago#5
Also not to mention if Broly was so strong then why....

1. Did he not knock the Golden out of Freeza? Jiren did this multipe times within seconds, even Toppo did this but Broly could not?

2. Force Goku and Vegeta beyond their limits? Even Kefla forced Goku beyond his limits so why could Broly not?

User Info: Delphox

Delphox
2 months ago#6
Dagoth posted...
Also not to mention if Broly was so strong then why....

1. Did he not knock the Golden out of Freeza? Jiren did this multipe times within seconds, even Toppo did this but Broly could not?

2. Force Goku and Vegeta beyond their limits? Even Kefla forced Goku beyond his limits so why could Broly not?


You're using the anime version. The movie follows the manga canon, where Gohan defeated Kefla.

User Info: Dagoth

Dagoth
2 months ago#7
Delphox posted...
Dagoth posted...
Also not to mention if Broly was so strong then why....

1. Did he not knock the Golden out of Freeza? Jiren did this multipe times within seconds, even Toppo did this but Broly could not?

2. Force Goku and Vegeta beyond their limits? Even Kefla forced Goku beyond his limits so why could Broly not?


You're using the anime version. The movie follows the manga canon, where Gohan defeated Kefla.
Then if it follows the Manga then there should br no question that Jiren is stronger, The Manga version of him is an absolute weakling compared to the Anime version.

User Info: Sedeug

Sedeug
2 months ago#8
WizardHazard posted...
Jiren was more threatening and had a much stronger showing as well as an aura of invincibility that Broly doesn't have

Probably because he didn't have 20 f***ing episodes to do that s***.

User Info: Xdragon2002

Xdragon2002
2 months ago#9
WizardHazard posted...
Jiren was more threatening and had a much stronger showing as well as an aura of invincibility that Broly doesn't have

Want to know why?

Because jiren had an entire arc centered around fighting with himself having very little character and a glossed over backstory

Broly on the other hand only had 1 movie where a lot of the time was spent establishing the backstory of the characters and fleshing out broly as a character.

So of course jiren is going to have more showings than broly he had a Massive time advantage
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User Info: Animegod1234567

Animegod1234567
2 months ago#10
Broly has way better feats than jiren
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